Reference DACS: An overall perspective


There has been many threads the last few months regarding the sonic signature of some of the highest regarded reference DACS (Dcs,Meitner,Ensemble,Audio Note,Zanden,Reimyo,Accustic Arts) here on the GON. I have been very fortunate to audtion many of these wonderful pieces in my home or friend's systems. I wanted to share, in a systematic way, my impressions/opinions with you GON members for a two reasons: 1)That my experiences might be helpful to fellow members interested in audtioning these DACS. 2)Starting an interesting discussion regarding the different "sonic flavors" of these reference digital front ends. I totally agree with the statement, "if you have not heard it you don't have an opinion". Therefore, I have no comments regarding DACS from Weiss,Goldmund,Audio Aero and Burmester because I have never had the pleasure of audtioning them. I would love to hear from members who have and share their experiences with us. My overall impression is that these DACS(Dcs,Meitner,Ensemble,Audio Note,Zanden,Reimyo,Accustic Arts) can be grouped into two molar categories regarding their overall sonic signature. By the way, all of them can throw a large/deep soundstage with excellent layering in the acoustic space with "air" around individual players on that stage. However, than they start to part company into two major categories. Category #1) These DACS "flavors" revolve around pristine clarity, fine sharp details,speed,very extended top/bottom frequencies,and great PRAT. These DACS never sound "etched" or "in your face" but are more "upfront" then "layed back" in their presentation. The DACS, to my ear's, that go into this bracket are Dcs,Ensemble,Meitner. My personnal favorite in this group is the Ensemble, which I owned for two years. These DACS remind me of the sonic signature of speakers such as Wilson,Thiel,Dynaudio, Focal/JM Labs. Category #2) These DACS "flavors" revolve around a "musical/organic" sense, natural timbres,and an easy flowing liquidity. Their "less forward" presentation my give the impression of less detail, but I think in this case its an illusion fostered by their more relaxed/organic manner. The DACS, to my ear's, that go into this bracket are Audio Note,Zanden,Reimyo,Accustic Arts. I did find that the tube DACS did not have the top/bottom frequency extenstion and PRAT of the SS DACS in this bracket. For me, the Accustic Arts DAC1-MK3 gave me the best of both categories, therefore it is now the resident DAC in my system. These DACS remind me of the sonic signature of speakers such as Magnepan,Von Schweikert,Sonus Faber. Well, it's all just my opinion regarding these digital pieces, but I hope this post was at least informative/somewhat interesting and would lend itself to other GON members sharing their impressions, not about what DAC is the "BEST" in the world, but your personnal taste and synergy with your system.
teajay
I share Teajay's interest in Audiomat Reference dac and I would like to know if anyone have a experience with Metronome C2A Signature DAC? Metronome Kalista Reference is also something that I would like to audition(together with C2A Signature), this is the only cd transport with battery power supply(!!) in the world. Reviewers in Japan are crazy about that combo but, price is very high:C2A Signature-Euro 20000, Kalista Reference-Euro 40000!
I heard only the best about Metronome( unfortunately, they are not currently present in USA market)...
Also waiting from Branimir his experience from the new ARC cd7 also in comparison with the Weiss combo !

(very nice thread)
Branimir and Teajay,
I will be auditioning an Audiomat DAC in the next couple of weeks and I'll let you know what I think.

Transports:
I'm hesitant to invest any significant amount of money in any transport because I believe the future of high end digital playback will be from magnetic disks rather than optical ones (i.e. hard drives; not CDs). Some say that this future is now upon us. Whether we like it or not, hard-drives will *definitely* be the future of digital playback for the general consumer and that future IS now.

DACs:
I believe that there will always be a place for high-end DACs. I can't believe that a computer sound card will ever sound good. There is just too much noise inside a computer for an analogue signal to be near one of these machines. Instead, the file read from the hard drive should be sent to an external DAC for conversion to analogue. This need not be a USB-enabled DAC. Companies like Empirical Audio sell audiophile-grade, USB-to-SPDIF converters that enable us to connect our DAC of choice to a hard drive.
Kops, more on new Audio Research Reference CD7 in few weeks...
Exlibris, regarding the future of digital audio-I belive that something else rather than hard-drives will replace cd transports. But, I will stop here because this thread is about RBCDP.
Only one very suprising thing: At CES2006 we will see introduction of at least dozen new DACs/Transport's/CDPs or Universal Music(only!) player's. So, what is this? Return of RBCD or what?
Point is that RDCDP is far from death, like it or not...
Few words about new Accustic Arts Player1(24/192)-it is organic,smooth but, with PRAT and nice bottom end. It better's my Esoteric DV50s in RBCDP(but, to my suprise-differences are not that big) and bulid quality is very good. Only problem is the price-unfortunately I think it is too high... Competition in this price range($4k-$8K) is huge:Audio Research CD3MkII,Ayre CX7e or C-5xe,Cary CD303/300 or CD306,Esoteric X-03 just to name a few...
New ARC REF CD7 is $8995 and it is maybe the most interesting new player on the market( and excellent sounding-#2 flavor but, wow! More in few weeks...), price difference to Player1(24/192)is just $1K.
My point is not that Player1(24/192) is bad choice, far from it! It is excellent player but, if you want best possible Accustic Arts sound go for DAC1Mk3/Drive1 combo. I belive it is worth the extra money over Player1(24/192) and it is using more sophisticated dac's inside as well as some other things unique to them.
Today, we insert Player1 to my friends system and he is very happy with it. I told him my honest opinion about Player1 and he told me:'Ok, but, for 90% of audiophiles Player1 will be the reference stuff!'
Branimir, thanks for sharing your final opinion on the Accustic Arts CDP, and I'm glad that your friend is very happy with his new digital player. I do not remember if you have had the chance to listen to The Accustic Arts DACIMK3, but as you stated, it is a qualitative different DAC with a 32/384 sampling rate. I knew the player would be quite good, but did not expect it to perform on the same level as the DAC. I'm a little confused with your statement regarding the price of the Accustic Arts CDP, I thought it retailed for $6000.00, if I'm wrong please correct me, therefore the price of the new ARC CD7 would be not just a $1000.00 difference, but would be $3000.00. I will admit my ignorance regarding the ARC CD7, but you make it sound like it might be a very special piece. Have you heard it already, or are you waiting to audition one? I will thank you in advance for what ever information you will share.