Reference DACS: An overall perspective


There has been many threads the last few months regarding the sonic signature of some of the highest regarded reference DACS (Dcs,Meitner,Ensemble,Audio Note,Zanden,Reimyo,Accustic Arts) here on the GON. I have been very fortunate to audtion many of these wonderful pieces in my home or friend's systems. I wanted to share, in a systematic way, my impressions/opinions with you GON members for a two reasons: 1)That my experiences might be helpful to fellow members interested in audtioning these DACS. 2)Starting an interesting discussion regarding the different "sonic flavors" of these reference digital front ends. I totally agree with the statement, "if you have not heard it you don't have an opinion". Therefore, I have no comments regarding DACS from Weiss,Goldmund,Audio Aero and Burmester because I have never had the pleasure of audtioning them. I would love to hear from members who have and share their experiences with us. My overall impression is that these DACS(Dcs,Meitner,Ensemble,Audio Note,Zanden,Reimyo,Accustic Arts) can be grouped into two molar categories regarding their overall sonic signature. By the way, all of them can throw a large/deep soundstage with excellent layering in the acoustic space with "air" around individual players on that stage. However, than they start to part company into two major categories. Category #1) These DACS "flavors" revolve around pristine clarity, fine sharp details,speed,very extended top/bottom frequencies,and great PRAT. These DACS never sound "etched" or "in your face" but are more "upfront" then "layed back" in their presentation. The DACS, to my ear's, that go into this bracket are Dcs,Ensemble,Meitner. My personnal favorite in this group is the Ensemble, which I owned for two years. These DACS remind me of the sonic signature of speakers such as Wilson,Thiel,Dynaudio, Focal/JM Labs. Category #2) These DACS "flavors" revolve around a "musical/organic" sense, natural timbres,and an easy flowing liquidity. Their "less forward" presentation my give the impression of less detail, but I think in this case its an illusion fostered by their more relaxed/organic manner. The DACS, to my ear's, that go into this bracket are Audio Note,Zanden,Reimyo,Accustic Arts. I did find that the tube DACS did not have the top/bottom frequency extenstion and PRAT of the SS DACS in this bracket. For me, the Accustic Arts DAC1-MK3 gave me the best of both categories, therefore it is now the resident DAC in my system. These DACS remind me of the sonic signature of speakers such as Magnepan,Von Schweikert,Sonus Faber. Well, it's all just my opinion regarding these digital pieces, but I hope this post was at least informative/somewhat interesting and would lend itself to other GON members sharing their impressions, not about what DAC is the "BEST" in the world, but your personnal taste and synergy with your system.
teajay
After a few days of burn-in I have come to some conclusions:

1. The EMM Labs combo is shockingly good. It is extremely transparent and lifelike. I am officially eating my words.

2. The best way to use these is with EMM's 'ST Glass' cables. Using the Stealth Sextet Varidig AES-EBU to carry the audio signal; a BNC cable to carry the clock signal; and the DCC2 as the master clock, led to a presentation that could best be described as "confused" in comparison with the ST Glass cables.

This proves that my predictions about how things will sound are amazingly consistent; I am wrong almost 100% of the time. At least I know that I am not falling victim to the 'placebo effect.'

Branimir,
I will hang on to my Stealth cable to do the Weiss test.
My guess is that I will be staying with EMM and that I will be wanting to sell the cable afterwards. I wish I had a second one to properly evaluate the Weiss combo.

Teajay,
The two categories that you put forth to begin this thread are still very valuable but I have to say that after hearing the EMM combo it has led me to a paradigm shift when thinking about digital.
I had previously thought that digital was a very flawed medium and the best we could really hope for was to pick a 'flavour' that we could live with.
I believe that the EMM gear transcends the 'flavour' dichotomy. It just sounds so right, so correct, and so real, in comparison with everything else that I've heard so far.
Exlibris, I am glad that my advice regarding CDSD was right. My guess was that EMMLabs DCC2 would sound very best with CDSD-very good that is the case(for your pocket!).
Regarding Weiss combo, it is an imperative to use absolutely identical two AES/EBU cables between Medea and Jason. Otherwise things will sound very strange indeed...
So, is digital search over for you or are you entering "eazy" search mode...?
Exlibris,

Glad you are enjoying music with the EMM combo. Just want to let you know to let the CDSD break-in on both CD and SACD for a long time. At least 500 hrs before it will sound its best. I'm loving my combo and have yet to hear anything better from digital.

All the best and enjoy!

Tom
Branimir,
I forgot to answer your last quest. 'Yes,' the digital search is over. If something falls in my lap (like the Weiss) I will definitely have a listen but I won't be actively trying to arrange auditions. Thanks to you, and everyone, for their help.

On to the next search:
My system could use more power and quickness at high volume levels.
I have an active crossover on the way. I hope it will take some strain off one on my pairs of amps.
I am also compliling a short list of big triode amps that I'd like to hear (just in case I want to move away from my 'little' Manley 250s).
I started a "Powerful Push Pull Triode Amplifiers" thread but it has pretty much fizzled out.
Congrats, Exlibris. Just as some of us expected...while I can't really comment on some of the digital front ends that are competing with Meitner, the impact from the modified Phillips to CDSD and using the ST glass is really profound as u have found out. I also love the fact that DCC2 can act as pretty darn good pre-amp but also allows me to investigate introducing a sep pre-amp (tubes?) if I wish....when considered in that vein the CDSD+DCC2 is very comeptitive price wise as well. And thanks on the feedback on ST glass vs Stealth on Meitner...having never exposed to Stealth that feedback is very valuable to me. Given how good some of the feedback/reviews have been on Stealth or other Cerious digital connects, it still remains in the back of my mind if I were to add a second digital source (music server?) and connect it to the DCC2 but for CDSD ST Glass is the way to go, indeed. I am waiting for a host of high end servers to come to the market as I have become somewhat addicted to the functionalist of playlists via usage of the IPOD when traveling which I do a LOT. FYI, I think there will be quite a few coming over the next 2 yrs or so and the prices will surely drop and new technology introduced especially as Intel ramps up its intro of dual core CPUs...obviously can't beat CDSD-DCC2 but just for when I want to listen to playlists etc...