Anyone's opinion about VTL amps?


I have been listening to VTL-MB450 monoblocks. The best sound of these monoblock amps impressed me when I listen to vocals but for instrumentals they sound too laid back. Anyone has any suggestion?
nguyenchiro
I have found, with my MB-185's, that Albert is correct about upgrading the input tubes (NOS 60's Sylvania goldpins recommended by Upscale were better than anything of more recent vintage I had lying around the house). For power cords, I don't play in the same range that he does, but have found that a base model Shunyata cord substantially raises the get up and go factor vs. the stock cord or the other alternatives I've got, and it's possible their top amplifier cords would work even better.

Also, there's the issue of the coupling-capacitor upgrade to the InfiniCaps VTL uses for their Reference series, an available factory option that's said to sound more highly resovled yet more refined as well.

But all this aside, my experience definitely indicates that tetrode mode will yield the best extension, driver control, dynamic impact, spatial delineation, and transparency/resolution these amps are capable of, although at a slight cost in terms of natural tonal balance (a bit leaner below, a bit brighter above) and ultimate harmonic purity vs. the triode mode. So while you might prefer triode for intimate vocals, I'd try tetrode again for larger-scale stuff.
Nguyenchiro I actually owned the 450 signature previous to the 750's yes they are quite a bit better overall. The upper bass is much better much more authoritative and the resolution of detail is improved upon also the dynamics are improved too. I previously used a Audio Aero Capitol Mark 2 CD player have upgraded this with the Wadia combination, neither of these sounded what I would call too laid back. your system shows the Bybee line conditioner are your amps plugged into it? Have you tried the system without the conditioner? If amps are plugged into it try plugging them directly into the outlet. Also is your electrical circuit just on one circuit breaker? Amperage its rated for? What's your cabling currently? current preamp is? Wondering if it's the Cary? They have a reputation for being very laid back. oh are you running with the RCA input or balanced? The balanced sounds a little less laid back.
Just to comment on Mejames' last suggestion, this hasn't proven to be the case in my set-up. From my fully-balanced Levinson 380S preamp, and using identical interconnect models in both XLR and RCA versions (from two different brands, for a total of four varieties tested), I found the single-ended connections as a class to sound a bit more direct and present. This is just as Luke Manley told me to expect for his non-balanced amp designs, as single-ended input presumably eliminates a little extra in the way of unecessary signal path length and solder connections. (For the record, I have generally found balanced connection to be superior between balanced components.) I wonder if Mejames was comparing otherwise identical cables?
hello yes was comparing the XLO SIGNATURE 2 RCA version and the balanced signature 2 IC's seemed like everything moved forward about 1 foot in the soundstage. It could have changed because of the truly balanced Wadia equipment or because of the amplifier I really can't say why but balanced definitely sounded much better overall in my system. I understand the 750 reference is a truly balanced design [which may explain why it sounded better for me vs.Zaikesmans not truly balanced mb 185 not sounding better via balanced cables] don't know if the 450 is truly balanced or not.
Mejames: Of course different results are possible in different situations, and to different ears. But to the best of my knowledge, all of the VTL amp models utilize similar single-ended circuitry.