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Help me find it again

I need your collective advice.

I have reached a critical point. If I don't start enjoying my system again, I will give up and sell!

I listen to mostly rock and pop with some blues and jazz. A little large orchestra stuff. I grew up listening to the best jazz and rock and roll live at my father's bootleg clubs. I've sat at the piano and poured drinks for the count, twisted with Chubby and lived in "Salt Pork West Virginia". I played piano and hammond organ professionally for several years working everything from rock to jazz to blues to gospel. I know how music sounds. I know how it can move you.

I have been living with my current system for about 6 months. "Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but it just don't thrill me the way that it should."

The sound is very clean but lacks emotion. It has a thin low end. Sometimes sounds harsh in the high end. The mids are good. It sounds like crap on lots of recordings that were OK on less revealing systems.

Components: Audiomeca transport and DAC, Aloia pre-amp, Goldmund 28M amps, Piega C-40 speakers, Goldmund line treatment, Piega speaker cables, Audio Techne interconnects.

I already have dedicated lines.

I'm done with vinyl. Just too much work... My turntable and record cleaner will be on the gon soon.

Room is large (32 X 20 with vaulted ceilings that rise from 10 to 18 feet). The system is on the longer wall with the shorter height. I have thick rug and window treatments. The speakers are spaced 3.5 feet from the wall and 11 feet apart. Seating is 10 feet back from the speakers and 6 feet from the back wall.

I'm thinking I need to change the preamp (perhaps tubes), but I'm willing to consider almost any changes. My current economic situation might limit my options. Also, since I live in central NC, it is almost impossible to audition anything...
spudco
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sgr
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Your components should sound good together on paper, but obviously this is not the case. Often the emotion in music starts at it foundation. I've never heard your speakers and electronics, but I was about ready to give up on my Revel Salons when I took another chance and biamped them. That's what they needed plenty of juice. So perhaps reevaluating speakers, then amps might be the ticket. If you like your speakers sound, a great pair of subwoofers might be the trick and I would look at either the REL subs or the Revel B-15 or their new high end sub.
Steven
loontoon
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I suggest first, experiment with speaker placement, and them some judicous wall treatments, I may also suggest investigation of www.foambymail.com for wall treatments, you can get a box of 2" wedge type tiles for the wall,(less than $100) and use them one at a time.

It sounds to me like you have two problems: digititus, and room problems. Don't forget to treat early reflections from the ceiling and floor, which is why I suggest a box of tiles, and try pushing the speakers back towards the wall for bass room gain.

Good luck.

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muzikat
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Sell it all and buy a Naim system, did the trick for me.
newbee
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I wish I had more familarity with your equipment, but I don't so FWIW, the problem you describe suggests to me that you should revisit your amp/speaker/room selection and interface.

My sense is that your room is too large for good bass reproduction from your speakers. One of the things you could try is to supplement your main speakers with subs.

Another thing to play with is speaker and listening locations (look at Rives web site or the Cardas method spelled out in a site on Audio Asylum for starting points). Are your speakers a spaced a bit far apart for good imaging and bass reinforcement.

Lastly, it appears all of your stuff is fairly high end - nothing wrong with that in itself, but much high end stuff is voiced lean to emphasize detail. Could you have too much of a good thing? Personally I have selected very neutral full range speakers which I power with slightly warm tube amps and I use three different sources, one neutral, and two warm (CD and LP). For old CD's or poorly recorded CD's I use the warm CD system, for new production I use the newer CDP.

Just something to think about - don't give up yet!
islandflyfisher
94 posts
 
I'd play with speaker positioning. Move them out another 6 inches from the back wall and closer together by a foot to 18 inches. This should inprove your bass dramatically. A better bottom end will smooth your highs.
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