Seperates or Receiver on a Budget


I have a question which has probably been asked to death, but since I am new here...maybe you can help or point me to an answer. I am building a HT in my basement and the room will be approx 11x23x7.5 I just purchased some Definitive 2000TL's (floor models) for a steal, and wanted them since I have the PM100's and the PF1500TL sub and love the sound of the Definitives for the money....but I am tell you this for background, not to start a thread on speakers:)

My question is, if I only have $2000-2500(MAX) budgeted for a new receiver, do I start my seperates, try a hybrid or wait until I have more funds available (if that every happens). I was thinking I could go with the Yamaha 2400 receiver and bypass the amps and get started with a Marantz MM9000 amp since I have heard good things about that amp for the $$$. OR I could just look at a receiver like the Yamaha Z1 or Denon AVR4802. What would you suggest...keep in mind if you don't already know, the def techs fronts (2000TL's) center (CLR2500) as well as my sub (PF1500TL) all have powered subs, so the amps won't be used to drive the bass.
jasplat88
Well, I'll be the devil's advocate for this thread.

With the importance of wire (interconnects specifically) I think your budget would be spread pretty thin if you bought separates. I don't think you should so easily dismiss a good receiver (Marantz, Denon, Yamaha) and as money becomes available, buy a separate amp to use with your receiver (your receiver in effect becomes a preamp). I think the separates you will be able to afford with $2500 (not including wire) won't be dramatically better than a quality receiver, plus you stated you are more into HT than music; I don't feel you will get that much more umpf from separates just watching movies. Also consider that once you make an investment of that kind, you want to protect it with a decent surge suppressor / line conditioner that won’t interfere with the dynamics of your gear. That will be at least a $500 purchase used.

Now start thinking about good interconnects and speaker wire to get the most out of your gear. That will run you another $500 on the used market.

I started out as you did, and I bought a decent integrated amp and then a separate amp for my mains (I was into HT as well). Now I’ve dumped my HT gear and own complete separates, 2 channel only. Basically what I am trying to say is you are on a budget and cannot afford to buy EVERYTHING you need with seperates, so don’t. Look at this as a long term hobby and upgrade yourself as money allows. With that mentality, take your $2500 initial buy-in and get everything you need to get your project off the ground: speaker wire ($300-400 for all 5 channels), interconnects (remember you will need AT LEAST 5 ICs to run your HT, $300-500), a good receiver ($1000) and a good line conditioner ($300-500). We haven’t even thought about power cords yet. All the prices I listed are assuming you buy used.

My plan gets you up and running with very good sound, and also allows you to upgrade yourself as you can.

m-
Don't waste your money on a receiver if you think you will be using an outboard amp. Try outlawaudio.com
Personally, I would pick up an Anthem AVM-2 for about $900 and an Anthem 5 channel amp for about the same.
Not a receiver made that can touch it.
Be aware of subjective terms and phrases. It’s your money and you should spend it wisely. Find a local hi-fi shop and go listen to high end separates and some high end receivers. I think you'll agree phrases like "this blows that away" are bogus in 90% of the cases you read about. Yes, a $5000 preamp with a $5000 amp will blow away a $200 receiver. But I have been through this and can say with all honesty when you compare apples to apples, you'll find you may like the green apples better than the red apples but that don't make them better. This logic I feel especially applies to home theater as explosions and booms are less distinguishable than the subtle notes of an orchestra, or a complex musical recording.

Don't take my word for it; go do some listening of your own and you decide.
I listened to the Deftec 7000 series with a Denon Receiver.Everything was powered like your setup. It nearly rattled fillings loose in my mouth! The Deftecs do just fine with a nice receiver for HT. You can get a nice Yamaha,Denon or Marantz sometimes on closeouts in the $1000.00 range..and put the rest of the money in your pocket. I think you will be happy for sometime to come!

Good Luck!