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Tube Amp suggestions for VSA VR4-SE's?

Hello!

I have owned a pair of Von Schweikert Audio VR4SE's now for about six months. I currently purchased a pair of Electrocompaniet AW220 mono blocks to drive them (previously I owned a Levinson No.334) at a dealers highest recommendation. The sound is very, very good, in all definitions of "audiophile" sound (fast tight bass, highly neutral midrange, extended highs, fast, transparent, nice stage, etc.). However, the sound is just not connecting me to the music in an emotional way. All my audiophile buddies who come over and hear the system are asking what more do I want? Well, I want INVOLVEMENT! I really don't care about all those audiophile tags anymore. I simply want that connection with the music, where I can forget about listening only to the best recordings, and listen to anything, and everything.

I feel positive that the speaker is capable of delivering this involvement, WITH THE RIGHT AMP DRIVING IT! So, this time, I want tubes. In checking out some different reasonably priced possibilities, I have come across the ROGUE amps (M-150 and the Zeus), as well as the Music Reference 200, and the Quicksilver VR monos. Does anyone out there in A'gonland have any experience with these amps (with the VR4's or any other like speaker), or can you make some other suggestions regarding any others. Forget the $21,000 Lamms, actually one of my favorites, but not in my budget (I actually live in a world of home mortgage payments, car notes and tuition payments, so let's say around $6,500 or less)!

Oh, by the way, my room is 15' x 19' with a coffered 8' ceiling, and my usual listening levels are around 85 to 95 db (as measured with a Radio Shack sound level meter ('C' weighting, fast response).

In advance, thanks to all for your input!

Happy Listening,

Louis
louisl
fetguy
90 posts
 
The Rogue Zeus is just awesome on those speakers. Great sense of Majesty and Power. Not quite as good in the midrange microdynamics as the Hurricanes or Monsoons but close. On the other hand, the Hurricane's have nowhere near the power capabilities of the Zeus.

The Rogue M-150 (new model) also does very well with the VR4, I heard plenty of power with that amp too. But my favorite of the high-powered push-pull tubed amps is the Zeus. On huge Chineese skin drum, the Zeus and VR4 combo shiver the room and yet reproduces the overtones of the drum's skin effortlessly. The Zeus is a bit on the rich side of neutral; it is not trying to emulate a Audio Research sound. It is much closer to neutral, in my mind, than a Cary V12 though and vastly more powerful and controlled in bass. It seems to me to be just enough on the rich side for enjoyment, but not so much that you will ever tire of it.
1markr
594 posts
 
You fail to mention your front end that's driving your amps, e.g. the preamp and CD player. Those components will also affect the "involvement" factor that you are so hungry for as much as the amps will.

I run the ASL Hurricanes in my system now, which also consists of the wonderful VR4 III HSE. I wouldn't say the 'Canes are underpowered at all; maybe they are vs. a Zeus, which I haven't heard personally. As RP1 stated, the midrange of the 'Canes is superb, as are the highs. The bass is there, but you will not get that tremendous SS slam from the Hurricanes, but a deep, full tuneful bass that tubes are known to provide. You want INVOLVEMENT, switch them into triode mode and get sucked into the music!

I will be trying out the Parasound JC-1s soon. I'm attempting to merge the best qualities of my tube amps with the best qualities of SS, of which the JC-1s are reputed to do. We'll see.
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swampwalker
5,138 posts
 
I had about 1 hr with the 4IIISEs driven by my Berning ZH-270. It was a small room, maybe 12 x 14. Bass was incredible, other than that I just listened. Felt it had plenty of power. It was running direct from Res Audio 21, using the volume on the Berning, not the CDP. Another possible advantage of the Berning; if you have only 2 sources, you can run it as an integrated. And tubes are way cheaper than the typical big power tubes. Well under $100 for a set of NOS (not including the input and driver tubes).
tpsonic
1,092 posts
 
The VAC Ren. 30/30 or 70/70.The VIVA Veronas on AGon should work wonderfully and can be upgraded to the 845 outputs in the future.Don't worry about the low power,they are able to drive Sound Labs.They have great timbre and are dripping with harmonics.Articulate highs and tight bass.
lsilver507
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i have rogue 66 magnum with quicksilver v4s on vr2 speakers my room to big to try low power
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