the 4 ohm rating


im a little confused as to why buyers choose 4 ohm products.

now here's what got me thinking about all of this 4 ohm stuff.

i took a pair of mids into my rebuilders shop the other day to get new surrounds installed & we started talikng audio & he told me that about 75% of the blown driver's he takes in for rebuilding are 4 ohms & the other 25% was split between 8 & 16 ohms.

correct me if im wrong but when you run a amp in 4 ohms as opposed to 8 ohms isnt the amp working much harder to produce the inflated wattage at the lower ohms? & isnt a amp thats getting worked hard a bad thing?

the same goes for 4 ohm speakers,the 4 ohm rating only makes the speakers to appear to be more efficient & also creates the need for thicker cabeling for the lower ohm's.

i hope the answers can remain civil as i didnt start this thread to be a smart ass but i am wondering what(if any)advantages there are to having 4 ohm gear over 8 ohm gear.

take me to school here & learn me somthing because all im seeing is drawback's to owning 4 ohm gear.

mike.
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Bigjoe,

You are drawing incorrect conclusions.

For one, the requirement for an 8 ohm load as opposed to a
4 ohm load is a constraint on the speaker designer. All
product engineering and design is a series of trade-offs.
By placing this constraint on the designer - you may be forcing
the designer to trade-off the sonic performance in order to
meet the load constraint.

You are also incorrect at saying the the wattage, i.e power
at the lower impedance of 4 ohms is "inflated". The power
IS the power. It is true that for a given voltage, the
lower impedance will result in more power being delivered
to the speaker because of the need for greater current.
However, there's nothing "inflated" about that
power - you are truly putting more power into the speaker.

For the best sonic results - don't constrain the designer.
If the design naturally gives you a 4 ohm impedance - so
be it. Don't make the designer trade off sonic performance
in order to match your minimum impedance specification.

Now it is true that you may need a heftier amplifier to
drive that speaker - the lower the impedance the more load
on the amp. However, there are many amplifiers that are
up to the task. That's just the "cost" of doing business
with that particular speaker.

So for the cost of a more powerful amp, you've lessened a
constraint on the speaker designer - who can use that to
better advantage to give you better sound.

Don't go to the other extreme and conclude that 4 ohm
designs are inherently better than the 8 ohm designs - they
are not. Neither has an advantage.

However, when the speaker designer is engineering the
speaker, the laws of physics and electronics may naturally
lead him/her to one side or the other. What is best for
the listener is to allow the speaker designer the flexibility
to choose the best load impedance for that speaker -
unfettered by a requirement to meet some artificial minimum.

"Que sera sera" - what will be; will be.

Dr. Gregory Greenman
Physicist
Bigjoe, funny you ask that question at this time, as I am headed down a similar path of questioning. So far in my search I've found a list of reasons against high impeadance. The topper may be that the mainstream consumer doesn't care and making high impeadance drivers is far costlier.

Looking forward to learning more from others about this.
Six of one and half a dozen the other. The greater proportion of 4 ohm drivers reflects the fact that most drivers (these days) are 4 ohms.
Some of the best speakers ever, such as the original QUADs and the Apogee Scintilla, have had impedence graphs that were all over the page. Looks like a snake that had been hit with a Tazer. We are talking impedences much lower than 4 ohms.
Sorry for the long response:

Many speaker designers feel that speakers are 'voltage driven' and thus design speakers around that idea. This allows for a speaker to have dual woofers (in parallel for 4 ohms) and thus the amp will produce twice as much power so that the woofers will be driven hard enough to keep up with the high frequency units of the speaker. A good example of this sort of design is the B&W 802. The concept of 'voltage driven' speakers also allows for the amplifier to compensate for driver or cabinet resonance by responding to the resultant impedance bumps.

Now, not all amplifiers are capable of this 'voltage paradigm', but any amplifier that is will be seen to produce a constant voltage into any load. A good example of an amplifier of this sort might be a transistor amp that makes 100 watts into 8 ohms, but is 200 into 4 ohms. Sometimes it is interesting to point out that such amps will only make 50 watts into 16 ohms.

*So*, with the above two examples used together flat frequency response will be the likely result.

However, not all speakers comply with the 'voltage paradigm' nor do all amplifiers. Examples of speakers that are not on the voltage paradigm are horns, ESLs and planar magnetic speakers (ex.: Maggies). These types of speakers are on a 'power paradigm' where flat frequency response from the speaker is obtained by flat power response from the amp, regardless of the impedance of the load. This is often because the impedance of the speaker is not as closely related to built-in resonances. The high impedance of an ESL at low frequencies is a good example- this impedance has nothing to do with resonance in the speaker.

The kind of amplifiers that are on the power paradigm are: most tube amplifiers (tube amplifiers with very high feedback being the exception) and low or zero feedback transistor amplifiers.

This is a major reason why you have to be careful about matching amps to speakers.

Now back to your question about 4 ohm speakers: 4 ohm drivers are not any more likely to get damaged, and tube amplifiers for the most part are not likely to put any more power into a 4 ohm speaker then they would do into 8.

A couple of good reasons to think carefully about a 4 ohm speaker: speaker cables are a lot harder to build for 4 ohm setups. Also, most tube amplifiers will produce more power and lower distortion (regardless of design) when driving an 8 ohm speaker.

If you have a transistor amplifier there is no real reason to avoid 4 ohm speakers unless the amp is not really rated for the load. Yes, the amp is working harder but if properly designed this is not a problem for the amp, although it will produce more heat.

So if you plan to use tubes, you might want to think twice about 4 ohm speakers, but if using transistors it might be the other way around. Either way you want to be careful, not so much for the damage issue, which I think is a red herring, but more for the reason that your investment in the amplifier is best served with a speaker (all other things being equal) that is properly matched to it.