Why "Cryo" anything?

John

Nice post. Out of curiosity, is Jimmy Neutron your less intelligent brother?

Cheers

Bill

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Ejilu,
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There is a reasonable chance that I studied and understood valid sample sizes before you did. It would be nice for us to have done over 100 repetitions of the comparisons that we did, but we only did about 22 or so. I think a 100 % agreement from sophisticated and objective audiophiles makes a pretty strong case for the idea that cryo treatments can work on certain audio components.
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It is interesting that you have had time to send another condescending post to/about me but not have the time to send an email to me so we could organize me sending a cryoed copy of one of your CD's to you so you could make your own comparisons and conclusions.
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What listening comparisons have you done so far of comparing cryoed and non-cryoed audio parts in the same resolving system on the same day with the same music that have led you to believe that cryo treatments don’t work ?
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Rgds,
Larry
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Cello,
I will make this my last post on the subject to avoid your claim of I "being a troll".

The point I want to make is this: I am curious about Cyro treatment and its claim. So far I have not yet heard a credible scientific theory that makes it work. All of them are guesses and subjective testing. In fact, I have only read a good scientific explanation on why it would not work.

It's quite ok to claim benefit of cryo treatment because you heard the benefit. It's quite another to claim that there is a scientific reason behind it. As I mentioned in my earlier post, I often make large audio purchase based on subjective testing. In fact, I typically doubt DBT ABX testing due to its difficult set up and psycho-acoustical issues.

So, when someone makes a scientific claim, I would very much like to see the actual research going into it.

Let me put it another way. Let's say you send back the cryo CD and I told you it did absolutely nothing. Would you agree that "cryo" does not work? Of course not. Just the same that if I told you it worked great, it still does nothing to prove the scientific claim.

Aruging about subjective testing is pointless.

Lugnut,
Please read Jneutron's post about heat cycle's roll on cyro treatment of solid metals. There is not too much more I can say on the subject. You can disagree based on your experience, but it's kind of difficult to argue about numbers.

Eric

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Eric,
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This is an audio site. Why on earth if you are truly interested in knowing whether cryoing works would you turn down a free Cryoed CD if not just to satiate your curiosity ?
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Understanding the science is fine and worthy, but what is the point in being interested in the science and not the subjective experience of listening on your own ?
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Your responses and reactions just reinforces the thought that you started this thread just to start a debate to argue and you don't really care about whether cryoing works in someone's system.
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Please don't ask questions in the future on this forum if you have no serious interest in searching for answer of your questions. You have just succeeded in wasting the time of a few well-intended people who were trying to be helpful.
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Ejliu,

Jneutron didn't say what you allude to. You don't get it, or more likely are trying to deflect justified criticisms. The fact is, in most applications of metals undergoing cryo treatment there is NO heat treatment. Of course, I suppose that lower temperatures may be considered heat treatment in the negative sense. Still, with very little research you yourself can confirm that heat treating metals in the conventional sense is rarely practiced. Post your name, address and the school where you received your Masters degree in Material Science Engineering so we can verify it as I don't buy into the anecdotal evidence that you possess such.

I'll go to the effort to tell you about a cartridge, turntable and tonearm shootout I was invited to early this year. I live in Idaho and the event was hosted in Miami. Approximately ten people were in attendance. The host had arranged enough equipment where we could listen to identical cartridges on the same turntable for immediate comparison. We could also listen to identical cartridges on different tonearms. Further, we could listen to identical tonearm/cartridge combinations on different turntables. By my estimation we played with over $150,000 in analog gear. This isn't even taking into consideration the reference system that allowed us to hear the music. The host of this event? Cello.

I feel honored to have had the opportunity to be a part of something of this magnatude. I have absolutely no problem posting the usernames of all of the attendees as every one of them is a well respected member here at Audiogon and you can follow up with investigation to confirm it. I can tell you in no uncertain terms that Cello makes every effort to be as scientific as possible without the aid of public money to further real world gains in music reproduction. This event was obviously not inexpensive for the host. Cello speaks truthfully about whatever efforts he went to in regard to cryo being beneficial or not. To dismiss out of hand such extreme measures a guy like this goes to for the love of music is insulting to these seasoned ears.

Son, you're out of your element here. You posting this thread was a troll.