Jordan,
I mean no disrespect either. Though this thread was posted under the "tech" section I fail to see why it's scope should be limited as you suggest. The threadhead did not ask to keep replies to known measurements Or whatever other "true" scientific priciples you allude to. As one looks at the enitire process of science many phenomena are first observed long before they are measured. In fact, observation is the norm.
A few MSE "experts" have chimmed in with fairly exhaustive remarks gleaned from textbooks and even they exchanged disagreements about heat treated being required or not for cryo treatment to actually occur. Plain and simple, measured science is not at this time able to answer the posted question. Does this make the claim that cryo'ing works in the audio realm not true? No, as measured science cannot prove that negative either.
As I prepare to exit this troll I'd like to offer that I thought this was an audio site where enthusiasts share our experiences for the benefit of the passion we all enjoy. Thirty years ago the conventional wisdom was that interconnects and speaker cables didn't make a difference at all but today it's generally accepted, with the exception of a few flat earthers that hang around here, that wires can have a huge impact on component performance. Even after three decades science still isn't able to fully explain the "whys" but most audiophiles sure hear it.
I'm not sure that the nay sayers can even be involved in this hobby and are likely anti-audio. First, by their own standards set forth here it would be impossible for them to buy any one piece of equipment without first understanding in a measured way why it sounds the way it does. Comparing two amplifiers with nearly identical specifications and price would certainly place them in an emotional tailspin trying to understand why they sound so different. Second, while the advocates (or at least those with an open mind) post their systems therefore proving they belong in this community none of the naysayers are involved enough to do so.
Don't blame me for doubting the intentions I've taken issue with. A lack of historical helping within these threads, as well as being outside the statistical norm of regular contributors, is anecdotal evididence of the type that I use in discerning most things in life. Of course, no anecdotal evidence, no listening experiments and no human judgements are valid to you guys.
My offer to Ejliu to heat treat and cryo some brake pads for him is still open.
I mean no disrespect either. Though this thread was posted under the "tech" section I fail to see why it's scope should be limited as you suggest. The threadhead did not ask to keep replies to known measurements Or whatever other "true" scientific priciples you allude to. As one looks at the enitire process of science many phenomena are first observed long before they are measured. In fact, observation is the norm.
A few MSE "experts" have chimmed in with fairly exhaustive remarks gleaned from textbooks and even they exchanged disagreements about heat treated being required or not for cryo treatment to actually occur. Plain and simple, measured science is not at this time able to answer the posted question. Does this make the claim that cryo'ing works in the audio realm not true? No, as measured science cannot prove that negative either.
As I prepare to exit this troll I'd like to offer that I thought this was an audio site where enthusiasts share our experiences for the benefit of the passion we all enjoy. Thirty years ago the conventional wisdom was that interconnects and speaker cables didn't make a difference at all but today it's generally accepted, with the exception of a few flat earthers that hang around here, that wires can have a huge impact on component performance. Even after three decades science still isn't able to fully explain the "whys" but most audiophiles sure hear it.
I'm not sure that the nay sayers can even be involved in this hobby and are likely anti-audio. First, by their own standards set forth here it would be impossible for them to buy any one piece of equipment without first understanding in a measured way why it sounds the way it does. Comparing two amplifiers with nearly identical specifications and price would certainly place them in an emotional tailspin trying to understand why they sound so different. Second, while the advocates (or at least those with an open mind) post their systems therefore proving they belong in this community none of the naysayers are involved enough to do so.
Don't blame me for doubting the intentions I've taken issue with. A lack of historical helping within these threads, as well as being outside the statistical norm of regular contributors, is anecdotal evididence of the type that I use in discerning most things in life. Of course, no anecdotal evidence, no listening experiments and no human judgements are valid to you guys.
My offer to Ejliu to heat treat and cryo some brake pads for him is still open.