SACD vs. DVD-A and Audio DVDs


My experience so far using Muse DVD equipment is that the best redbook CDs sound as good as the best Audio DVDs from Chesky or Classic Records. It would seem that the recording and mastering process has more impact on the final sound than the medium. It reminds me of the notice on early CDs which stated that the CD's resolution "could show the limitations in the source recording" or something like that. Does anyone else think that well executed redbook can be almost indistinguishable from 24/96 Audio or even SACD ? By the way, my experience with SACD has been that the sound is very dry and clinical, and I am wondering whether SACD will fare the same way as CDs, namely that it will take years before the recording and manufacturing process are up to par with the technology. This was evident in redbook CDs. The sound of the best conventional CDs has improved dramatically since four or five years ago.
joe_coherent
I don't think the CDs are indistinguishable from the CORRESPONDING DAD/SACD (i.e., from the same master tape)--the highs are smoother, more natural and have less hash, the dynamics are better and there is an openness or ease with DAD/SACD that you don't get with standard CDs. That said, they are certainly getting more and more information onto CDs, and I have heard CDs so well recorded (such as the Reference Recordings and Harmonia Mundi Cds) that I would agree that they sound better than a lot of SACDs and DADs, particularly when run through an upsampling dac (I don't care how they do it, it does sound better). You're right about recording and mastering, because a DAD or SACD may get you closer to the master tape, but you may not like what you hear on that tape. I'm hoping that more new recordings get made with the new technolgy (the Telarc and Sony Classical DSD recordings are stunning).
I also have a Muse 9S DVD/CD player and notice also that the newer cds do sound much better than they used to. I'm sure part of that is the upsampler in our Muse players and the fact that the cds are mastered better. I did hear the Sony SACD player ($5000) playing a SACD and will have to admit the sound was much more open, smooth and natural sounding than the same music played on a standard cd player, but when a regular cd is played on the $5000 Sony player the sound is not as good as when it is played on a Muse 9S DVD/CD player.
I only have 3 Classic DADs, but they do sound better than the originals. More subtle details, and they're mastered much better...I actually get to use my volume knob! I think that's their big advantage. Most modern CDs are mastered too loud, and that's a form of compression. Most labels do it because they want their CD to sound "louder" than the next. Properly mastered CDs will sound smoother and less fatiguing than CDs that are mastered too loud. I do think that remasterd 20/24 bit CDs are a big improvement over the originals. They are more detailed, but the DADs still sound a bit more natural to me. They seem to reproduce the details in a much more organic way.