Sistrum or Neuance or...?


I'm considering some isolation for my transport and DAC. Which of the Sistrum or Neuance do you recommend? Or what else? I'm certainly open to suggestions. Thanks.
budrew
Dissmissing Sean's posts as "petty" (Budrew) and mere "ridicule" (Sistrum) is a shame since he built up a case that is at least worthy of some technical explanation. Unlike some others, I think knowing how device works gives an audiophile more control and power than simply trying the device and "seeing" how it does. A "gracious" return policy is not enough for me to trial-to-buy.

I can empathize why Sistrum may not want to get in to it, but that is taking the lower road, especially considering other manufacturers have responded to these types of debates with their design reasoning. Adding a little salt to their non-answer is that Sistrum has repeatedly advertised in these forums. I personally am left with a hole in Sistrum's logic (calling is pointless) and a lesson to become more self-sufficient in audio. Thanks Sean and Joe Ciulla.
Ouch! Sistrum does it again. TWL, better go after the *mature* waitresses full time! I just had my breakfast (that's right--at 2:30 PM!) at the local diner. I mean, they might be *mature*, but all that walking back and forth keeps them in shape! Some dental work might be needed.

Ohlala, ask member Jahaira ( José García ) for a picture of his DIY rack. Well thought out, with shelves that can be tuned for each separate component. It's the real deal.

You see, Sean can't be fooled since on top of all his knowledge and experience he's got a Moca wood board I gave him. He knows what the real deal is...Moca is about as perfect as it gets.
Wow! I don't know how I missed this thread. Sean, FWIW, I think your have covered the matter well. What I don't understand is, instead of a money back guarantee, why don't they send these devises out to the reviewers/labs for some independent (hopefully) reviews to see if professionals can identify the extra benefits they allegedly possess? If they are found to be worth while they will move their product - if not, oh well. Somehow I doubt that this will happen - probably too expensive and unreliable. But other serious manufacturers do that, wonder what the difference may be. Or have I just missed the reviews?
More to ponder...

It seems logical to me that a group of interested parties (audiophiles) would benefit from the establishment of some baselines or minimum standards by which to judge or quantify the effectiveness and advantages of products in question. But, this is difficult if not impossible to achieve due to the subjectivity of the individual listener and the myriad variables which must be considered.

If one cannot personally listen to a specific product, one is relegated to the evaluation of reviews, testimonials, word of mouth, and finally, the manufacturers claims. Nevertheless, the educated buyer has the distinct advantage of insight, because he or she can understand the fundamentals of the product.

In addition, it would be hard to argue that a product has little or no merit if after significant time in the marketplace, it has apparently sold very well or better than others within its price range. On the other hand, there are a few excellent products which by virtue of the reclusive nature of their designers, and a total lack of advertising, remain virtually unknown.

The reasons why so many products sell is because many are actually good or effective. But what does “good” mean? I t only means the product out-performed or performed differently in a pleasing manner, than the product it replaced!
If it was the first product of its kind, it merely fulfilled the buyer’s expectations.

Therefore, a product may be deemed “good”, especially by only a few people, dispite its limited effectiveness and marginal performance.

Most significally, a product may be “good” for some even if the manufacturer’s claims make no sense or at worst, contradict established fundamental engineering and the laws of physics!

Audiophiles buy racks or “furniture” that don’t satisfy their expectations. Next they buy a certain shelf or platform which still doesn’t do it, so they buy couplers or footers to place between the component and the platform. If this isn’t good enough, they replace the shelf and the couplers. Then it becomes apparent that the rack itself is to blame, so that gets replaced. When everthing finally seems perfect, a large or heavy component that you must have won’t fit in the rack!
People use cut-up tennis balls, hockey pucks, plumbing washers, marbles in spoons, and all kinds of tweaks that somehow please them. One adds “warmth” the other is “bright” or “dark” .... it goes on forever.
I’m not ridiculing anyone because I did my share of “experimenting”.

In my opinion, a rack system must do THREE THINGS to produce ultimate component performance;

1. Expeditiously drain and damp harmful component-generated, and air-to-component
vibration. (this requires direct coupling to the chassis if the stock feet are rubber)
2. Isolate the component from rack-borne vibration.
3. Provide the rack with isolation and damping of floor-borne and air-borne vibration.

As a bonus, I would look for “extras” to add to the prerequisites;
1. Capacity to accommodate large and heavy components.
2. Flexibility/versatility, which requires adjustable-height levels.

Any rack or support system which accomplishes only one of the three prerequisites may be “good” or effective. A rack that offers two out of three is even better, and the one that accomplishes all three is the best.

Finally, I’ll answer Budrew’s question... to get the best performance from your transport and DAC, you should buy the best (true) bearings that you can afford. No other device offers the benefits of damping and lateral isolation while simultaneously coupling and decoupling the supported equipment.

We all want the best we can afford, and I hope everyone gets what he or she wants.

Yours Truly,
Joe Ciulla
Equa Corp. / EquaRack
How is it that you select a frequency to be dampened that will not impune the quality of an adjacent frequency you want un-dampened.? Tom