Asdf, I never said that natural products could not be effective in certain cases, I have simply stated that this hairy fairy notion that because something is natural it is innocuous is at best untrue, and at worst dangerous. I knew the Chinese medicine reference would surely pop up. It is strange how you seem to believe that disease is unknown in China or well under control because of their traditional medicine. The last time I checked, SARS and avian flu were not being too well controlled with traditional medicine. There are certainly lessons to learn from the practices and generally from the way of thinking of other cultures or civilisations, both existing and gone, but I would stick to the work of Banting and Best, of J. Salk, Pasteur, A. Fleming and all who have followed and worked and still work to alleviate suffering and postpone our inevitable meeting with the Grim Reaper. The fact that governments in America are taking their distance more and more from regulating the drug industry and that we hear more often of research results that are played around with is disconcerting. The fact that the AMA is a lobbying group to keep the profession tooling around in 7 Series BMWs and living in gated communities is also alarming. Again, another issue, you have your problems we have ours. Natural remedies are now given a free ride and can be advertised with claims that cannot be substantiated. When dealing with a cable, preamp or speakers that practice is simply annoying, sometimes even uproarious. When dealing with health issues, I think people should draw the line.