Fuses that matter.

06-08-12: Geoffkait
Strawman argument alert.

You want to go down this road again? How many times are you going to suggest that I’m strawmanning you? You have a bit of a fixation, don't you think?

So far you’ve failed to substantiate ANY of your strawmanning accusations. And in an inspired but inadvertent act of irony, the posts in which you accuse me of strawmanning invariably contain a straw man OF ME. I've demonstrated that several times already. You really want to go through it again? I suppose you like the ride. Ok, here we go…

When you suggested that I was strawmanning you, it was in reference to my comment that…

You guys say it is a waste of time to experiment with fuses.

I wrote that in direct response Tbg's comment that...

06-06-12: Tbg
Bryoncunningham, I admire your eagerness but think this is LARGELY FRUITLESS as there are too many fuses and too many components.

The phrase "largely fruitless" is of course a metaphor. It’s synonymous with another metaphor… “a waste of time.” So when I said that Tbg’s comment amounted to saying that it's a waste of time to experiment with fuses, I was not strawmanning him. I was summarizing him. Q.E.D.

That leaves me to address whether I was strawmanning you. Let’s retrace our steps again. Tbg said that the reason I was wasting my time was that...

...there are TOO MANY fuses and too many components.

In the very next post on the thread, you said...

06-06-12: Geoffkait
Let's see, HOW MANY aftermarket fuses are there...?

Tbg says "too many fuses" and you say "how many fuses?" Anyone with a passing familiarity with conversational English would think that you were picking up where Tbg left off. With that in mind, you go on to say...

Let's say an average system contains 7 fuses. Now, I suspect there are some statisticians here who can do the calculation for how many tests would be required for 7 types of fuses and 7 fuse installations. And how long it would take. A hundred years?

If that doesn’t suggest that the comparative testing of fuses is a waste of time, then I need an MRI of my left temporal lobe to make sure that my language comprehension is still in tact. Are we to believe that you're suggesting that a hundred year comparative study of fuses is REASONABLE USE of time? Of course not. And if it's not a reasonable use of time, then it's a waste of time. Q.E.D.

Need a sec. Deep breath... ahhh. That was tedious.

Time for my favorite part: the part where, right in the same post where you falsely accuse me of strawmanning you, YOU STAWMAN ME. The straw man begins with your comment that...

Your opinion matters more than someone who hasn't experimented, but it is still an opinion.

I never said, or implied, that my opinion is anything other than an opinion. Here's what I said, for example, about fuse direction...

06-06-12: Bryoncunningham
I could not hear any differences when changing direction for any of the fuses. Make of that what you will. Bad system. Bad ears. Bad method. Bad attitude. I just didn't hear it.

Does that sound like I believe that my opinion is anything other than an opinion? No.

The straw man continues with your comment that...

No one person's experiment is definitive, it's only a data point. We should consider your opinion along with all of the many other published experiments - and our own experiments.

I never said, or implied, that my experiment was definitive. Here's what I said...

05-18-12: Bryoncunningham
There it is. My not-particularly-scientific experiment in fancy fuses is concluded.

Does that sound like I was suggesting that my fuse experiment was definitive? No.

The straw man is completed with your comment that...

Simply because you are still sitting on the fence regarding fuses should not mean that anyone else should also be sitting on the fence.

I never said, or implied, that anyone needs to share my point of view. In fact, I've gone out of my way to emphasize that it is merely a point of view, as in...

06-06-12: Bryoncunningham
I suspect that the audible characteristics of fuses are largely extrinsic, and therefore variable from component to component and system to system. Admittedly, that is a SPECULATION.

Q.E.D.

And that concludes my latest Refutation and Reversal of your accusation of strawmanning. By my count, that is the third Refutation and Reversal on this subject. That should be enough for anybody. Why do you keep coming back to this Cycle of Abuse?

Bryon

Bryon, I'm postponing all my fuse experiments even further if this is the thanks one gets for trying to be unbiased and scientific in their method! :)

It's a shame that we steered off the path. We were asked about fuses that matter. I feel they do & are more important in some equipment than others.

Suddenly we have got personal. We should be discussing which fuse worked well & did its direction impact the sound? Now we are dissecting arguments & character.

Bryon is excellent at keeping things clear. Even so we still have got lost. Human nature I guess.

Maybe the OP should read "people's opinion that matter". Music matters. Not the gear. It's seems similar to a religious doctrine. The point gets lost in the argument.

"It's seems similar to a religious doctrine. "

Fusism would be a good name I suppose?

Nebulous things like this that defy scientific models will inevitably be viewed from a dogmatic perspective by each I suppose.

What else is there to say?

Bryon, you're being argumentative again. I was simply pointing out that I have not accused you of wasting your time testing fuses. Why would I? But why would you say "you guys say it's a waste of time to experiment with fuses" unless you thought I was? Since I actually wasn't accusing you of wasting your time, your twisted logic notwithstanding, I have decided to let my strawman remark stand.

Geoff