Not happy yet


I have recently discovered "hi-fi" and have been replacing a few parts of my system. But I have not yet got the involving sound I am looking for. My judgement of the sound: the bass is too loud relative to other sounds, and the voices aren't prominent and involving enough. The loss of tone controls in my new higher-end pre-amp and amp (replaced older receiver) means I can't throttle the bass back as I used to do.

Any advice on where to go next? Here is the equipment:

Yamaha CDX-410u CD player (older single-play player)
Classe CP-35 pre-amp
Rotel RB-981 Power amp
Celestion S300 speakers
Cabling is generic

Room is about 12' x 25', with 8' ceiling. The speakers are at one of the room, several feet from back and side walls. Bare hardwood floor, bare ceiling, fairly sparse wall decoration.

Music is mainly Jazz, older rock, folk. I notice the well-recorded jazz sounds pretty darn good, very good highs, decent voices on the best recordings. Jazz tends not to be bass-heavy to start with.

Any ideas on what the next upgrade or change (room treatment?) should be? I have to go one thing at a time, but I expect to replace almost everything (except possibly the pre-amp and speakers) along the way.

Thanks for any advice...
ehart
Your Cd player has a retail used valur of 40.00.
How much money do you have to spend.Forget the cables.Dont even consider this untill you have put your last available $ into a CD player upgrade.
Once you have listend to the system for a month or 2 them its time to see how much money you have to take the next step and go from there.
One other thing,you need to put a heavy area rug down.Need to tame the room slightly.
Dont try to do it all at once.One component at a time and slow and easy.
You will have to experiment, but what you describe can sometimes be caused by dirty AC power. Try a AC power conditioner. Ones that work well for not too much cash are: Monster HTS2000; Vansevers Super Companion; Audio Power Pack II; Panamax 1000. My favorites are the Vansevers and the Audio Power.
Much as I hate to agree with Thunders....he is correct. You have three things that need work.
The CD player should be the first and most expensive. Whatever you get, you probably want to keep for a while.
I suggest a 24bit HDCD player, or a good DAC if you prefer that route. The room you describe is hell on good sound. You might want to follow leaf's recommendation for a large area rug and bookshelves or drapes or something to help with the walls. Last would be the cables. Start with ICs. I don't know your speakers. Your Pre is made by a company whose Amps are great but there are better preamps in my opinion. Rotel is a solid performer for the price.
You may be able to improve your bass performance with speaker placement. Try pulling them away from the wall.
Thunders,Leafs,Snooker have some good points, as do others.
Lets not go overboard, or make too many changes at once,
but here are areas that need immediate attention.

1)Your CD player is really holding you back, there are no good Yamaha CDPs, since you have Rotel amp look for good used CDP here with 24/96 dac, like Rotel 991 which can be had for $600 used here. Also used Musical Fidelity A3CD,
Link Genki, Audio Refinement, Roksan Kandy/Caspian, Rega Planet and many others would make a huge improvement

2)Your interconnects, speaker cables, AC cords must be upgraded to better cables, the good news is there is huge selection of great used cables for any budget here at Audiogon. This will make a huge improvement, there are so many choices requires a seperate topic.

3)Very important to minimize room colorations/distortions.
You must put area rug (Persian or Turkish my preference)
between your listening seat and speakers, bare wood floors
are not good for music. Also place something in both corners of speaker wall to control sound distortions, large plant or decorative item. If your speakers are 6ft apart try to sit 6-8ft from speakers for best sound.

Keep the current preamp/power amp and speakers till these other areas are addressed.