Having second thoughts on Khorns Need help


Hi all: I am starting a two-channel set-up starting with speakers,amp (tube or s.s.),also c.d. player direct to amp to be decided later. I had decided to go with Klipsch Khorns originally and have done research on the net for about 6 weeks now.
I am now having second thoughts, given the type of music I listen to, mostly rock and LOUD! I am a little concerned about whether the Khorns can produce the bass on this type of music to my liking! I will not be buying these for another 6 months,so I am open to other suggestions for speakers.
I am looking for floor standing full-range speakers that can fill a 12W x 24L x8H enclosed with tight,
chest-pounding bass on it's own, without a subwoofer. I listen to Van Halen,Dream Theater,Greenday,Led Zep,Sherryl Crowe, Colin James,Collective Soul,Metallica,etc. No classical,jazz or hip-hop!
I realize that some speakers sound better with certain types of music and the electronics,(source and amp), plus the room have an effect on how a speaker sounds! I guess what I am looking for(asking), is a pair of speakers that play "rock" well! I can go up to $6500 for a pair. Amp and source to be decided later, depending on the type of speakers! Interested in all comments!Thanks, Huck
huck55
Huck55-LOUD is when you can feel the bass hit your chest.
REALLY LOUD is when the air in the room moves your whole body and it feels like you are being compressed.If this is what you're after you can obtain it for less than $2,000.00.Buy a pair of Klipsch Cornwall's and two Definitve Technologies PF-15 subs.Remember to save some cash for the Digital hearing aids.
If you want to go without the subs here is my response to another members question.02-08-03:KLIPSCH KPT-MCM GRAND.You want LOUD here it is.
And as an added bonus to PERMANENT HEARING DAMAGE
you will receive realignment of your internal organs. Give them a call 1 800 KLIPSCH. I do own Khorns and power them with a McIntosh MC352 amp-email any questions you may have.Hope this helps.Max db's are 126.
If you want to go further south than 40Hz, you need a good sub. My suggestion would be a pair of LaScallas or even Cornwalls and a SVS sub. Get their top of the line one. About $3500.00. I can guarantee you--one hour at 95 db--youl crack your foundation.
Horns can be problematic at best, I would look into the Legacy Focus 20/20, for rock I would suggest these are one great value, I have always left my dads house impressed by what these can do and Collective Souls "December" made my neck hair stand, you owe it to yourself to audition these , another plus, the blow away KHORNS on appearance, really a awesome looking speaker with sound to match!
If I ever could tslk my dad into it I would love to hear the 20/20 with tubes ontop and solid state bass.
Huck if you really want *kick* then you need the dynamics which only horns can provide. The Khorn is a ruthlessly revealing & detailed speaker which doesn't render a marginal source kindly: ie: you hear what you're putting into them & if it's not a clean signal then you'll definitely hear it. Some call this a problem & it really is one: a problem with a poor front end. Use a quality mosfet solid state amp running at least 200 watts per channel, a quality active (not passive) solid state or a tube pre, and MIT speaker cables which work great with classic Klipsch designs. The preamp will give you better dynamics & control than if you drive an amp directly from your source: this has been repeatedly attested to by others & matches my own experience. You want loud? I have measured 125dB SPL in a similar sized room to yours using a 225w/ch Accuphase amp. Of course that level is unlistenable it's so loud; the idea is to have a lot of headroom for a complete;y clean signal at all realistic listening levels.
Klipsch speakers, I own 2004 La Scalas, do require a lot of thought into equipment, room size, and other things to get the best sound out of them. But once you set them up correctly(this is subjective to each person) they give the best performance from any speakers I have heard.

Are there speakers that sound overall better than my La Scalas or KHorns? No but I have not heard the thousands of speakers from all over the world. Some speakers I heard did not sound good to me but use a different preamp or amp and they might sound better or really good. Some speakers had excellent bass and midrange but the highs I did not like. Some bad midrange, muddy bass, no imaging, did not like the sound stage, vocals did not sound right, etc, etc. Someone else might listen to all the same speakers with me and have a different view on every speaker.

For me the La Scalas have the best overall sound to others they are bright and harsh. That is what's great about having so many choices in speakers and gear, you do have choices! There are probably better horn speakers than my La Scalas but I have not been able to hear them or they cost $15,000.

It is a very difficult proccess finding the "BEST SPEAKERS" for a person.

Do you live anywhere near a Klipsch forum member? Most people on the Klipsch forum would be willing to let you hear theirs.

Someone said Khorns sound like PA speakers well what do you see used by bands? Speakers with horns. A horn system with the wrong equipment can sound bright or harsh. For some people even with the "right" equipment Klipsch sounds harsh.

I have some music that is recorded excellent and it really sounds great on my system. I also have music that is recorded like cr@p and on my horn speakers it does not hide that fact, the KHOrns are the same.

If you buy new KHorns be prepared to spend time finding the right gear to get the best sound out of them. If you buy other speakers you may have the same problem.

Do you live anywhere near a Klipsch forum member? Most people on the Klipsch forum would be willing to let you hear theirs. If it is not a extreme trip go listen to them you may be spending $6500 so it would be worth a roadtrip. Take your music with you. But realize that if you really like the sound of their KHorns it is also because of the equipment and room. I'm Xman on the Klipsch forum I remember your post about wanting KHorns. Good luck with your search it is a tough decision!!

Xman

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