Revel or Vandersteins 3A's /Which is better?


I'm thinking of moving from Vanderstein 3A's to the Revel Performa M20 or M22 or F30. I'm using Proceed CDD, Levinson 28 preamp, Threshold S500, Goldmund Memisis 12 DAC. Any help is appreciated. Dave Taylor
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"harmonic content"
I take it ='s fidelity of the musical image.
IOW fluid/neutrality/harmony of fq's/non-attacking sound..
As opposed to coarse/grainy/boomy/tin treble/tiresome after 30 minutes. .
well, it's simple. If you purposely have some of the drivers, even one, out of electrical phase with the other drivers, then there is no way all the harmonic content of timbre will be produced because, by design again, out of phase firing of part of the frequency response will actively remove content. Those step reponse measurements are, in my opinion, accurate and revealing of what a speaker is and is not capable of doing. A 30,000 Hz bandwidth pulse reveals what is going on in the time domain and it is simply a matter of when that speaker manufacturers finally realize this is a gotta have spec. Nuff said.
Nuff said.
As long as you don't choose a speaker by actually listening to it, you're dead right. Nuff said.
Good point, Evita.

Do we choose our audio system components on electrical and physical properties/theories or because they bring us closer to the event? And we all have enough experience to know immediately when something sounds natural or artificial.

Stevecham: You seem very obsessed with Thiel and Vandersteen speakers and bash every other speaker when you get the chance. Do you honestly feel you can hear the results of the "perfectly phased" designs of Thiel and Vendersteens in your system? And what other speakers have you brought home and put forth much effort to try in your system directly compared to the Thiels and Vandersteens?

After seeing your setup listed on A'gon, I suspect there are a number of tonality, resolution, frequency extreme, dynamics, etc., weaknesses that would easily mask anyone hearing whether or not drivers are within the last half a millimeter out of alignment with the others in your speakers vs. any other dynamic-driver-based speaker design.

I owned Thiel 3.6 and 2.3 a few years ago. They were replaced by Talon Khorus and Peregrine. The Talons had so much more harmonic content, decays and dimensionality that made the Thiels sound sterile and lifeless in comparison.

I think we benefit a lot more if we pay more attention to our ears and not the latest EE text book.

John
(((Do we choose our audio system components on electrical and physical properties/theories or because they bring us closer to the event?}}} I think we need both to keep it strait. (((And we all have enough experience to know immediately when something sounds natural or artificial.))
Even the best designers will say ears can be fooled. For example you have a guy who loves Piano music
installed in brand x a tweeter that rings at 12k like a bell.
Listening Panel says ""wow"" amazing its like we are there! Ready for sale!
Had Brand X they taken the right mesurments they would see
it was off the mark and some things are too good to be true or could it be maybe they want it this way on purpose?
Then some poor guy who buys em plays a close mike mature Female voice and the grain hits you in the forhead and blames the recording. Is it Ok to excuse these kind of products and call them High resolution?
Isnt It great that Stevecham is having fun with his audio experience? I think its great.
Cheers Johnnyr