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Good Advice

As an old mid-fi'er seeking to upgrade both my old Onkyo receiver and Boston Acoustic speakers, it was great to find this advice in Epinions.

"Dancing on the Diminishing Returns Curve: Choosing Stereo Speakers
Dec 15 '05 (Updated Feb 18 '06)

The Bottom Line Don't go overboard and turn into a "tweak." Buy something inexpensive but good, dial it in, and enjoy the music.

It happened again the other day.

I was at someone's house and they were showing me their $20,000 stereo. Tube amplifiers. Elite CD player. $6,000 speakers. It sounded...great. And boring. Precise imaging. Tight bass. Unbelievable delicacy. And the whole was...less than the sum of the parts. I was unmoved by the music.

And so was the owner, I think.

He had the furrowed brow of someone with audiophilia nervosa, obsessed with achieving audio nirvana and spending his listening time noticing imperfections that could only be improved with a different amplifier, or different speakers, or maybe different interconnects or speaker wires.

He could never be satisfied with his system, and he could never slow down and enjoy the MUSIC.

At home, I have a modest but good system consisting of $1000 speakers, under $1000 worth of solid state amplification (and a $600 tube integrated amplifier which I sometimes use), a modest CD player, turntable, tuner and subwoofer. And the thing is DIALED! It sounds great to me.

Yeah, the imaging is a bit diffuse, inner detail is only good, and the mid-bass is a little round. But who cares? When I listen to music, I enjoy the music. And I'm not thinking about what component to get next, even when I'm sprawled on my bed reading Stereophile magazine.

What did I do right?

I gave up on finding sonic perfection and found components that work well together. And I made sure the cost of each component was on that part of the diminishing returns curve where things flatten out: where large increments in amount spent lead only to small increments in sound improvement.

The bottom line is this: You can have an excellent stereo system for a fraction of what the "tweaks" are paying, and you'll probably enjoy your music more than they do. The speakers are probably the most important component in a home audio system, so shop around and figure out what kind of sound YOU like.

Then have fun assembling an inexpensive system that's 80% or 90% as good as the best out there. After that, forget about the system and enjoy the MUSIC."

Truth is, whether you're spending a 1K or 100K the bottom line (or what should be the bottom line) is the MUSIC and your enjoyment of it. If you lose sight of that, then I would really wonder "what are you spending your money on and what are you trying to accomplish?".
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gunbei
2,327 posts
 
I'm kind of surprised I didn't get flamed for my last post. It seems more A'Goners than I realized have the awareness to recognize that it is also about hifi and the equipment for us audiophiles. Of course in varying proportions.

It's interesting that I'm not very critical about the quality of the music playback while in my car or at work. I'm just glad to have music in those environments.
eccbo
24 posts
 
I think most of you have good points, but this statement I dont agree with;

'i think itms is true--it's the music stupid.

a two part study in stereophile showed that sound quality was not a guarantee of satisfaction.

you can get just as much satisfaction listening to your favorite music ona $300 personal stereo as on a $100,00 stereo system'

No matter the quality of the recording, a good system makes it 'sound' better.

I will put it this way. When I was very young (six years old maybe?) It was discovered that I had a vision problem. So I got my eyes examined and spectacles were prescribed for me. The day I got them I was astonished as to all that I was not seeing before, but the night was the most dramatic, as I finally saw the stars for what they were for the FIRST time! I only saw blobs of light for the brightest stars previously.

For me its the same with equipment. You have a little radio or boombox and you listen to music and its fine. BUT, when you step up to a good system and listen to the same music, it's like you have never heard it before until then. I am not saying that the $100,000 dollar sytem is what' need to do that either, but if the gear makes my music sound more enjoyable, more enticing, more real, then I will get that gear.

In the end, the gear is part of the music too.

To end, try thoroughlly enjoying the 1812 Overture or even Maroon 5 or Dido, on a transistor radio or a cheap mini system. You might like it until you hear it with a very good setup( that only needs to cost maybe $1000). Then you will LOVE it!

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undertow
1,033 posts
 
Synergy, Synergy, Synergy!!! does any other word apply? I have a pair of very expensive but huge speakers, that the material costs alone almost come close to the price paid, how about the sound? Well if matched with the correct configuration they are far worth it, but that can be very tuff with about a half million amps and components out there to deal with, so best thing is go with proven brands that can create magic together, price points then don't matter...

A friend of mine has a Killer small tower pair of speakers, they were hard to get a lot of high end gear to sound very real on, well Guess what, it ended up a VERY pricey MCintosh piece with tone control solved it, and super PURE components just did not sound as good on it (place any audiophile name you like *HERE*) then what was really funny is a 200.00 JVC Receiver was the only other that Worked Damn near as good!!!! Go figure, but we thought okay then lets get a super duper Denon or onkyo whatever and see how badly this JVC gets stomped... Guess what on this specific Speaker nothing created the magic of the Mcintosh or the JVC in this specific case... Flavor? who knows.

So never think anything about this audio game has a conventional solution.
gunbei
2,327 posts
 
Undertow? I used to play on a Quake server with that name.
jaybo
4,478 posts
 
a month or so ago, stereophile nearly published a lukewarm reveiw of a 12k+ sacd front end. i say 'nearly' because they loved it, but were compelled to admit that sacd is indeed ending, thus not making it the greatest investment. i say this to the outrage of many, all the time, but the difference in front end's has always been more about build than sound. the dna in the latest generation walkman is not that different than a megabuck audiophile player. By design, thats the way phillips/denon/sony always intended it. high end equipment is fun to own, or collect, if you don't have have another hobby, or kids, or a family, but it has '0' to do with enjoying music, or collecting music as a hobby. there is a widening gap between the hi end industry and the 'everyman'. its no wonder its dying. for those manufacturers who b.s. 'those who should know better', that this is primarily about enjoying music.....well, its way easier to say that, than it is to offer true value, customer service...and satisfaction. the evolution toward vintage used gear is as much about 'value today' as it is 'nostalgia'. the ces show is now about '100's of manufacturers chasing dozens of retailers' who are dropping like flies. we will get the hobby we deserve. you can now get a subscription to the above mentioned magazine cheaper than a half tank of gas. trust your common sense.....then let your 'ears' in on it.
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