Speakers Like Merlin VSM?

Bobby,

>> is this how you repay him?
you are needlessly trying to go down a path that is dangerous & slippery!! I would strongly urge you to stop that right here!
My comments on the Berning amp have NOTHING to do w/ the gentleman who invited me over to listen to it. It is NOT a personal attack on him. It NEVER was & it NEVER will be. He & I have invited each other to our resp homes to listen & audition gear. IMHO this does not mean that I must compliment the gear I listen to. I compliment the person who invited me & he is very well aware of this. So, I re-paid him well, I feel.
The comments on the gear pertain to as I heard it. Nothing more & nothing less. I expect the same from people who come over & listen to my system: a 2-way street.
So, please, stop this guilt-trip thing. I know that you are capable of better behaviour. Thanks!

"Good amp to use if you are debugging a speaker problem."

Yes, Bombaywalla, the Berning is on the neutral side of things and I don't mean to go off on a tangent but one of the absolute most musical systems, that is systems that I can count on one hand as being the closest to the event I have heard had a prototype Berning using the same design topology as the zh270 in the mix, in other words, there was no mistaking the design. Unfortunately my system doesn't measure up to that standard for a number of reasons, least of all the Berning/VSM combo. I respect your choices but I would suggest folks viewing this thread might heed what Bobby is saying. In a system with these two components in the mix it is imperative that it be matched with the proper balance of components. This is not to say at the end of the day there may be other preferences.

My comments are pertaining specifically to the Berning. I have heard this amp with numerous speakers with fine results in ALL cases. I don't know exactly what you heard Bombaywalla but my guess is that something might have been out of kilter somewhere along the chain. I hate p....g contests and don't want this to turn into one, it isn't my point or intent. What is is that I have broad experience with both products and know what is possible.

bombay,
do not be concerned with my behavior...as i am a gentleman as everyone knows. and i am not worried what you think of my product and am truly glad that you like your gmas. i hope you have years of pleasure with them. your comments on the 270 are unfortunate but non the less they are your opinion. guilt trip...hooey! what you expect people to do when you invite them over for a listen has nothing to do with what others may think or expect you to do. one does not make the other right.
thanks,
bobby

Bobbyapalkovic: bombay, if you heard an earlier version of the 270 you might have felt very differently about the amp. they were more relaxed and more music like. later ones were even more continuous but damped sounding. i know the system that you heard and the man who owns it. he invited you as a guest into his home and allowed you to have a listen. is this how you repay him? i also know that he was at your home to hear your system. he told me exactly what he thought of it. he is and was, (by comparison) very pleased with his system. each to his own i guess! but he has not not made any such comments on the web, anywhere. what does that tell you?

I think this post is a good example of why dealers, manufacturers, etc., should participate in such forums only if they are able to deal with honest opinions w/o getting personally offended. It is difficult to exchange opinions and expereinces if people take it personally and respond as such. Just my .02 of course.

Bobbyapalkovic,

why are you & I getting into an offensive??????????
(the offensive is started BY YOU, A MANUFACTURER - REMEMBER THAT!, OK?)

>> and i am not worried what you think of my product
did you read my original post wherein I wrote that I liked the VSM-MM sound?
If not, read it again!!

>> i am a gentleman as everyone knows.
then, these series of posts are VERY MUCH not becoming of your gentlemanly behaviour!
My respect for you has dropped a notch. While you might not care whether it has or not, it certainly does say something about your inate/latent character.

Why in the world are you defending the ZH270 sound???? Vested interest? Personal agenda?

>> your comments on the 270 are unfortunate but non the
>> less they are your opinion.
My comments on the ZH270 are *not* unfortunate! They are as I heard it. If you can't deal w/ it then don't read my posts & don't bother to reply to them.
Audio forums are MEANT to discuss opinions on audio products & to share this info w/ others. That's one of the major reasons for participating in audio forums. Agree?

>> 07-21-06: Aktchi
>> I think this post is a good example of why dealers,
>> manufacturers, etc., should participate in such forums
>> only if they are able to deal with honest opinions w/o
>> getting personally offended. It is difficult to
>> exchange opinions and expereinces if people take it
>> personally and respond as such. Just my .02 of course.

well written, Aktchi! I fully agree!
If manufacturers begin to get personal about the gear they sell OR gear that others sell, they are going to stifle the audio forums wherein honest opinons will not be shared. That defeats the purpose of the having the audio forum & being subscribed to it!! Do the audio manufacturers want us to blindly buy what they make? Any non-positive comments made are taken personally & they start crying bloody murder!