Speakers Like Merlin VSM?

well tom,
if i had a buck for every odd comment (imho) describing the sound of the vsm and tsm in the past ten years, i would own a lear jet. i've heard them described as dull/bass heavy to lean and bright. this is what a neutral piece does, it brings your attention to the rest of the system and its character. if the speakers are used the way they they were designed to be used, the odds are better than 95% that you will have found a keeper. still, (and i would be the first to say this) these speakers are not for everyone. we have thousands of each model in the field and an extremely high satisfaction rate.
the speakers are exceptionally linear and continuous sounding. they are not bright imho, just resolved with maximum resolution and contrast potential.
you would probably really like the new e versions (lead free) which are way more room filling and relaxed sounding again. i describe them as just more complete sounding.
those who have received them are really really happy with them and know the difference, immediately.
regards,
b

bombay,
if you heard an earlier version of the 270 you might have felt very differently about the amp. they were more relaxed and more music like. later ones were even more continuous but damped sounding.
i know the system that you heard and the man who owns it. he invited you as a guest into his home and allowed you to have a listen. is this how you repay him? i also know that he was at your home to hear your system. he told me exactly what he thought of it. he is and was, (by comparison) very pleased with his system. each to his own i guess! but he has not not made any such comments on the web, anywhere. what does that tell you?
regards,
bobby at merlin

Bobby,

>> is this how you repay him?
you are needlessly trying to go down a path that is dangerous & slippery!! I would strongly urge you to stop that right here!
My comments on the Berning amp have NOTHING to do w/ the gentleman who invited me over to listen to it. It is NOT a personal attack on him. It NEVER was & it NEVER will be. He & I have invited each other to our resp homes to listen & audition gear. IMHO this does not mean that I must compliment the gear I listen to. I compliment the person who invited me & he is very well aware of this. So, I re-paid him well, I feel.
The comments on the gear pertain to as I heard it. Nothing more & nothing less. I expect the same from people who come over & listen to my system: a 2-way street.
So, please, stop this guilt-trip thing. I know that you are capable of better behaviour. Thanks!

"Good amp to use if you are debugging a speaker problem."

Yes, Bombaywalla, the Berning is on the neutral side of things and I don't mean to go off on a tangent but one of the absolute most musical systems, that is systems that I can count on one hand as being the closest to the event I have heard had a prototype Berning using the same design topology as the zh270 in the mix, in other words, there was no mistaking the design. Unfortunately my system doesn't measure up to that standard for a number of reasons, least of all the Berning/VSM combo. I respect your choices but I would suggest folks viewing this thread might heed what Bobby is saying. In a system with these two components in the mix it is imperative that it be matched with the proper balance of components. This is not to say at the end of the day there may be other preferences.

My comments are pertaining specifically to the Berning. I have heard this amp with numerous speakers with fine results in ALL cases. I don't know exactly what you heard Bombaywalla but my guess is that something might have been out of kilter somewhere along the chain. I hate p....g contests and don't want this to turn into one, it isn't my point or intent. What is is that I have broad experience with both products and know what is possible.

bombay,
do not be concerned with my behavior...as i am a gentleman as everyone knows. and i am not worried what you think of my product and am truly glad that you like your gmas. i hope you have years of pleasure with them. your comments on the 270 are unfortunate but non the less they are your opinion. guilt trip...hooey! what you expect people to do when you invite them over for a listen has nothing to do with what others may think or expect you to do. one does not make the other right.
thanks,
bobby