Bob, I made it very clear that my remarks applied to panel speakers, which do not have increasing SPL in the bass and (for this reason) do not exhibit bass distortion since you can't have distortion where you have no response.
The bass response in (almost) all panel speakers (along with the SPL) tends to roll off smoothly starting between 40 and 80 Hz (depending on the speaker) at a slope similar to that found in a high pass crossover circuit anyway.
The object (again, with panels) is NOT to assign bass and mid-bass to two separate devices but rather to BLEND the outputs of the two devices as if they were part of a single enclosure/crossover system. Attenuating (sloping off) the sub starting at 10 to 20 Hz below where the panel initially begins ITS natural roll-off insures a nice flat response across the point where the two speakers' acoustic response overlaps, sort of a "natural" blending (ie in the air) of crossover slopes.
As for locating the sub, the dipole radiation pattern of panels produces sound waves between the front and back of the panel that are at approximately 90 degrees out of phase with the original signal (ie 0 degrees at the front, 180 degrees at the back, 90 degrees in between) so locating a single sub exactly between the speakers F/B/L/R, and adjusting it's phase (if you can) to 90 degrees, will make it virtually disappear and be indistinguishable from the panels.
Again, these comments apply to pure full-range dipole speakers (ie not hybrids with cone drivers as in many Martin Logan speakers.) Examples would be ML CLS's, Maggies, Quad 57's, etc. Soundlabs do qualify, but shouldn't need subs anyway ;--)
Some of your remarks DO apply to typical two or three way monitors or full-range box enclosure speakers; and I have certain other ideas about those applications. I'm quite familiar with M&K bass management system. I know Ken quite well (in fact I designed their logo back in 1970) but his recommendations apply (primarily) to multichannel systems with conventional speakers, LFE processing, etc. I still stand by my advice as to using subs with dipoles.
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The bass response in (almost) all panel speakers (along with the SPL) tends to roll off smoothly starting between 40 and 80 Hz (depending on the speaker) at a slope similar to that found in a high pass crossover circuit anyway.
The object (again, with panels) is NOT to assign bass and mid-bass to two separate devices but rather to BLEND the outputs of the two devices as if they were part of a single enclosure/crossover system. Attenuating (sloping off) the sub starting at 10 to 20 Hz below where the panel initially begins ITS natural roll-off insures a nice flat response across the point where the two speakers' acoustic response overlaps, sort of a "natural" blending (ie in the air) of crossover slopes.
As for locating the sub, the dipole radiation pattern of panels produces sound waves between the front and back of the panel that are at approximately 90 degrees out of phase with the original signal (ie 0 degrees at the front, 180 degrees at the back, 90 degrees in between) so locating a single sub exactly between the speakers F/B/L/R, and adjusting it's phase (if you can) to 90 degrees, will make it virtually disappear and be indistinguishable from the panels.
Again, these comments apply to pure full-range dipole speakers (ie not hybrids with cone drivers as in many Martin Logan speakers.) Examples would be ML CLS's, Maggies, Quad 57's, etc. Soundlabs do qualify, but shouldn't need subs anyway ;--)
Some of your remarks DO apply to typical two or three way monitors or full-range box enclosure speakers; and I have certain other ideas about those applications. I'm quite familiar with M&K bass management system. I know Ken quite well (in fact I designed their logo back in 1970) but his recommendations apply (primarily) to multichannel systems with conventional speakers, LFE processing, etc. I still stand by my advice as to using subs with dipoles.
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