Am I Bad Listener?


Let me say from the outset that I love audio gear and I love the sound of mid-high end audio. But here's the thing ...

The only part of a system that I can hear a real difference in is speakers. In my system over the past few months I have tested three different amps (a 30W tube, a 150W SS integrated and a 200W SS amp plus a bi-amp configuration), a tube preamp, no preamp (direct to amp via DAC with volume control) and most recently a bunch of different speaker wires (my original Audience Maestros, a DIY Home Depot 10 gauge concoction, Anticables and two other sets of very expensive wires borrowed from a local dealer - some bi-wired & some single with jumpers). Oh, and a series of different IC's.

With the possible exception of the insertion of the tube preamp, I can't really tell much of a difference regardless of what I do. I have had similar experiences at dealers. But switching back and forth between different speakers I can hear huge differences.

I think my system sounds really good but is modest by comparison to many on A'gon - Olive Musica, Benchmark DAC, Minimax Preamp, Meridian G57 amp (sometimes switched for a Classe or Prima Luna) - so maybe that's it. In a modest system the effect of switching components or wires just won't yield huge sound changes. Or maybe I just don't hear in a very detailed manner.

I spend a fair amount of time reading posts here and people claim to have genuine sonic revelations by switching an interconnect or a tube or piece of speaker wire. I love buying the new stuff and giving it a try but I just don't seem to ever hear a sonic revelation and end up re-selling it.

Does anyone share my experience or is there something this sad, pathetic audiophile is missing?
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Don't get caught up in the "gear game". You got good components (much better than what I got), and if you're enjoying your music, then don't worry about whether or not "some tube, or some innerconnect, ect" is going to make it sound all that much better (in most cases, not as much as some people would have you to believe). Remember this hobby is about (or should be about) enjoying one's music, and if you let "worrying about how good your gear is compared to others" get ahead of the music, then you'll start losing some of that enjoyment.
No you are not! Enjoy your system and the music and don't worry about it. Consider yourself lucky that you don't caught up in the constant evaluation of your system; always wondering how to improve it or what to upgrade next.
If you are playing the "switching game", where you listen to snippets of music, then swap in the new component, you are in for severe frustration. That is why triple blindfolded, hands-over-eyes, no peek-a-boo testing is crap. It's the long term listening that yields the important differences.

Listen to component "A" for a day or two while trying to relax with your favorite music, stuff that you are intimately familiar with. Then do the same thing for component "B". Which one moves you? Which one sounds more like what YOU like? It'll come to you. And don't waste time with audiophile approved dreck while listening for chair squeaks and conductor farts. Listen to what you would normally, and listen with the intent of enjoying the music, not dissecting it. You might find that there are more differences than you thought imagineable.

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You are saying, in all candor, what most audiophiles can't bring themselves to admit: the differences, if any, are extremely small and obsessing over them gets in the way of enjoying the music.

I would leave well enough alone and buy records to enjoy and not analyze and scrutinize.

Welcome to the sane person's audio club!
And, of course, power handling - notice I mention under 95 db. Over 105 db and below 45 HZ there is a huge (very huge!) difference between 5k speakers, 10k, 15k and 20k.

Absolutely agree. A $5K mid range and treble sound can often be as good as $20K or more...the differences being almost negligible. Not so for the bass reproduction....this changes dramatically. Although an entry speaker with much effort put into heavy bass reproduction (to impress) often fails in the mid range miserably (compromises go in the mid range in order to produce a reasonable price speaker with prodigious bass).

You should note that once you are around 4k to 10k for a system, the improvements in 'under 95 db sound' and for 'sound above 35 or 45 HZ' - improvements tend towards more limited and relate to the kinds of adjectives I've mentioned versus sounding fundamentally different.

Fully agree. I would actually say however that there is tremendous improvement in the ENTIRE bass...harmonic distortion from playing ultra LF is a HUGE problem in the bass and it is simply very costly to keep it at 1% levels or less. Cheap bad bass at 30 Hz is WORSE than a speaker that rolls-off at 80 Hz.

My problem is that when I hear a difference, I can't say if it's better. Usually, there's give and take.

Exactly. Apart from the obvious tangible improvements to play correctly at more realistic sound levels a lot of differences at high end boil down to slight coloration here or there. The law of diminishing returns certainly applies.