Maggies and rolled off treble


Hi folks, I don't want to offend anyone but I think Maggies, especially the older types have significantly rolled off treble! The sound is because of this rolled off treble rather midrange oriented, which could sound very pleasing, but at the same time there is limited resolution due to this treble behaviour. Of course I could be wrong and I'm suffering some sort of hearing disorder/loss, but this is to me a consistent finding. Listening to those Maggies is a nice listening experience, until... you fall in sleep because of the shelved down treble response.

Chris
dazzdax
magnepans are not rolled off. i own 1.6s and have owned 2.7s. my friend owns 3s and i have heard 3.5s, 3.6s and 20s. this discussion is like asking someone if a particular entree tastes salty. there are many opinions on taste, be it based upon hearing or taste buds.
Mr Tennis

Anchovies taste salty.

And early single panel Magnepans are "rolled off" compared to newer versions with ribbon tweeters, as well as most high priced "audiophile" speakers manufactured today.

Cheers

cwlondon
In the meantime, neurotic audiophiles spend fortunes on things like "extension" "air" "resolution" and and "transparency" making themselves miserable in the process and then spending another fortune on corrective measures like overpriced cables and silly tweaks.
Miserable? Not quite. Some of us just happen to like to hear the detail brought on by the great percussionists, pianists, guitarists, vs. a blob of midrange grain or attenuated trebles so evident in the electronic designs of the 1980s and before. Drop in any number of modern preamps in place of the SP-11 and you will not only hear significantly more clarity and dimensionality in the coveted midrange but much new information that has been hiding in your system all this time. It's on the LP or CD, you're just not hearing it.

... as well as most high priced "audiophile" speakers manufactured today.
That's quite a generality. And how many of these have you actually heard directly compared to each other in the same system?

This is why Magneplanars, LS35a's, Quad ESL 57's, Celestion 600's and precious few others are legendary speakers, many years after they were first manufactured.
Or are they legendary because they do the mids so well but so much else is compromised that the listener is solely focused on the mids. And for many of us, this is the most important range for a system to get "right". But once you hear a speaker do this and so much else, these "Legendary" speakers often get boxed up AND put in the attic. Oh, and you forgot to mention Spendor.

There's too much focus on rolled-off or attenuation and not much about resolution and clarity. The Magnepans I owned and heard at the dealer were never rolled-off....but they were mediocre at best in resolution compared to the SoundLab A1s I run with now.

Sorry Cwlondon, it's not neurotic --- it's magic.
Cwlondon..."Rolled off" is the wrong description for what MG1.6 speakers do. It is not a gradual thing. Based on my measurements they are flat right up to the last 1/3 octave on my analyser. In that octave they take a dive of several dB.
Midrange is the unsung hero of good audio and happy audiophiles.

This is why Magneplanars, LS35a's, Quad ESL 57's, Celestion 600's and precious few others are legendary speakers, many years after they were first manufactured.

In the meantime, neurotic audiophiles spend fortunes on things like "extension" "air" "resolution" and and "transparency" making themselves miserable in the process and then spending another fortune on corrective measures like overpriced cables and silly tweaks.

As far as generalization go - and the obvious limitations of making gross generalizations - I agree fully with this one!

One of the principle reasons for chasing accurate bass response with low distortion - is NOT TO MESS UP the lower midrange!!!

Most people miss this point altogether and focus only on the flat to 20Hz nonsense with bass distortion easily above 10% and terrible impulse response from ridiculously small narrow and often ported boxes...great on brochures and spec sheets, impressively aesthetic, amazing room pounding bass that defies the box size and makes reviewers "Oooh and Aahhh" - but really this is very BAD sound from a musical integrity perspective.

Where are the classic massive Tannoys from yesteryear? Gone because they make ugly furniture - who cares anymore about the sound?

I am a great believer in rolled off bass rather than a bunch of harmonic distorted crap - if it means an electrostat then yes this is indeed a better choice than many commonly available box speakers.

However we must accept that midrange focussed audiophiles have become somewhat of a rarity in a world of BOOM BOOM TIZZ BOOM BOOM TIZZ...

Good point Cwlondon!