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Small room, "budget priced" speaker advice, please

Hi,

I recently sold my dearly beloved, old Vandersteen 2C's here on Audiogon (and I hope SgtPeppers is loving them at this moment!) :-) I did this because in our remodeled house, my new listening room (which will double as a guest room) is just too small for the 2C's. The Spousal Acceptance Factor was just too low. ;-)

I have a PS Audio Elite-Plus integrated amp for power (around 70 W/Ch) and a soon-to-be-shipped-off-for-a-refurb Sota Sapphire for an analog front end (I have "miles" of vinyl)! I will also get a CD player at some point.

For now, I need to find a pair of best-of-breed, truly "budget" speakers. By "budget," I'm talking upper limit of $850/pair. (Gone are my free-spending, single days... I'm a dad now...) :-)

Listening habits: lots of 60's and 70's folk and rock, some jazz, Donald Fagen/Steely Dan, a little classical. Listening volume: not too loud. Sonic preferences: I value transparency and imaging/soundstage. Bass should be accurate above all, as opposed to chest-pounding powerful.

I've looked at Paradigms, which I know are highly regarded at lower price points. Trouble is, our one, local dealer is primarily a TV/home theater outfit, so you're trying to hear them in a showroom crammed with other stuff... you know the drill. I've also hit a high end shop. Listened to a pair of PSB small towers and disliked them; they sounded muddy and veiled to me. Listened to a pair of the smallest Rega's and liked them quite a bit, but would want to go back to listen again. I even wrote to PS Audio for advice; they recommended the "baby" Epos monitors, but they're out of my price range.

Thanks if you've read this far. Knowing how subjective all this is, I'd still welcome any advice you have to offer about what I should try to audition.
rebbi
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mapman
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Rebbe,

Coincidentally, I heard a pair of Arros recently at a dealer. Had my reference CDs with me that enabled me to judge what I heard versus other systems I've heard recently.

Sound was similar to what you describe, the signature transparency and imaging accuracy was not happening. I think it was due to these also being placed too close to the wall. They were within a foot or two I'd say and the room was about 18 to 20 feet deep and even wider.

Move them out further away from the walls. Try different locations until imaging locks in accurately at your listening position

These are rear ported, right? If so, probably even more important to move away from the rear wall for best depth of sound stage.

Bass level may decrease, but most important to get speaker placement dialed in for imaging accuracy and transparency first.
rebbi OP
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Mapman,

Ah, my tutor returns! ;-)

Yes, I'll get 'em out from the wall and report back!
asa
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Rebbi, yes, room, but also IC's & speaker cable. Monster can be a bit compressed, especially if its the cheap stuff. Audience has some good value cable. The IC should run you used @$220 and the speaker, well, I can't remember. If you can sometime, think about some of Audio Note Kondo's copper entry level speaker wire: @$500-600 for 8ft pr.

I like the Arro, nice little speaker, but, as I said, I would have tried to scam a Model 1 used for about the same price...that said, the Arro should image well; that's what all Totems do well.
rebbi OP
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Asa,

Yes, cabling is next. Powerline 2 was "pretty good stuff" back in the '80's. But the lengths I have now are way too long, so if I need to at least cut and reterminate them if I'm going to use them as a stopgap measure. Again, I don't want to blow my budget on wire until I see what the bill from SOTA for bringing my TT up to spec is going to be.
rebbi OP
1,326 posts
 
Mapman,

Turns out they were about 18" from the back wall. Moved 'em another 6" out and the transparency, imaging and soundstage all took a big leap forward. Everything started to bloom as it should. They sound much better (whew!) and the bass doesn't feel particularly compromised yet.

One of my "reference" CD's is James Taylor's "That's Why I'm Here." On one tune ("Only A Dream In Rio") there's a bit of percussion, some kind of wood block, that comes at you from WAY off to the left if things are set up right, and that bit "clicked" when I moved things further into the room. So I'm on the right track, it seems.

I'll keep playing with placement to fine tune the results, but thanks a lot for the tip! :-D
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