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Rob,
You make numerous good points. The "neutral/accuracy" camp would find our preferences "too colored". The tonal warmth, fullness and harmonic density is to some artifact and not true to the source. I respect their different take on sound, I just reject that model for myself. I am after natural/organic rather than neutral/accurate. Frequent lifelong exposure to live instruments have taught me differently. At this point I no longer argue or try to persuade(not worth the time or effort).Both groups can peacefully coexist and go their own way. I accept the fact that people vary in what they hear and how they listen and leave it at that. Apparently most of us in the tube/SET amplifier faction hear/react in a similar manner. Timbral listener? fits me.
Charles,

Charles,
Basically agree on all of your comments. I believe the opposite of the "neutral/accuracy" camp (so-called), if music is absent tonal warmth, fullness and harmonic density it is not accurate, but a false presentation that is not true to the source. Real music includes all the elements listed by you and in Jeff Day and Yazaki-san's well thought out "Listening Bias" articles. These specific elements of music are not artifact, but "Real Sound." Yes, "both groups can peacefully co-exist and go their own way." Like you, I am after natural/organic "real sound" as opposed to the misnomer of "neutral/accuracy." One caveats though, my fervent hope is that more folk discover Timbral Listening, that more equipment choices become available that will exploit this style/type of listening. Brownsfan nailed my sentiments above with respect to the compare/contrast of tubes/equipment of 60-70 years ago compared to today. In my youth many a family had decent sound reproduction in their homes. That can not be said for today's family. Where have they gone? What caused them to abandon in their home good playback of music? Most here won't like my opinion. I don't wish to stir that troublesome pot. So, for me l'll move on to "Back to the Future" as my path to musical bliss with vintage sound combined with the best of the new in tube/SET, or perhaps with a modern breakthrough amp product such as the geniusYazaki-san designed solid state 60 watt SPEC integrated amp that sounds just like the best of SET DHT 300B, according to Jeff Day in his thorough review in Positive Feedback or in his Blog. The WE16ga/Belden 8402, some wonderful NOS tubes, the splendid potential of the Arizona Capacitor changes, Day and Yazaki-san have caused me to ruminate, contemplate this journey in audio...whatever your taste happy listening, I hope you enjoy the music. Best, Rob

Rob,
I imagine that if anyone could ever build a SS amplifier that rivals a high quality DHT SET Yazaki would be very high on that list. Maybe I'll get to hear his amplifier one day. I remain skeptical only because I've heard this said adnauseum about this or that SS amp (best of both worlds type of remarks). These are two different topologies that won't/don't sound the same (so take your pick), many people are happy with either. SS is definitely the more prevalent and popular choice. I certainly respect Jeff Day's opinion but I retain reservations about "the same sound characteristics" of very dissimilar amp topologies. I guess I'm from Missouri on this one.
Charles,

Mikirob I agree with you completely. I have felt for years that the quest for (neutrality) has gone of track and left me scratching my head. I believe that if the emotion of the music is not conveyed then in fact it is inaccurate.

Charles,
I trust Day's ears, Yazaki-san voicing of amp; but like you I remain a Missourian on this one until I hear it. Grannyring was from Missouri on the WE16g/Belden combo until he actually listened to them. Now, most everything he owns is WE16g. A couple of things I can surmise to be likely, is that the SPEC Real Sound amp is a wonderful SS design with many attributes that I would find pleasing; but as stated to you in a different thread it is more probable that I choose one of Yazaki-san 300B or one similar to his D30 tube design. Best, Rob