Jazz for aficionados

Alex, you're bringing some fantastic musicians to my attention that I never heard of. West Coast musicians can make a living without leaving LA, but they discover late in life when they're broke, that wasn't a good idea. A musician has to make all the money he can when he's hot, and going to New York seems to be a necessity.

I liked all three records. Was Bobby Hutcherson on vibes on two of the records? Dupree Bolton was original, and he blew as well as any trumpet I've heard; that's why so many people took an interest in him. He was a mysterious person. I've witnessed "Dupree Boltens"; incredible musicians with short musical lives as a result of drugs. There is an uninformed rumor that drugs help jazz musicians play better; it helps jazz musicians not to show up. It's amazing how lies about jazz musicians can become truth as a result of repetition.

Although most of the musicians were unknown to me, I still liked the music. Are those records available on CD? Keep up the good work.





Enjoy the music.

O-10, I really don't see anything negative in my comments, other than the fact that they are responding to the negativity from Rok and yourself.  I certainly did not intend for them to be negative - I was merely trying to say what frogman was saying in his excellent post shortly afterwards.  We are merely trying to help you understand more about the art form you love, and to understand why some of the arguments presented here make no real sense, because of this fundamental lack of knowledge.  He also makes a great point that we cannot let certain outright untruths stand, if this thread is to be taken at all seriously.  A very important point - anyone who knows about music can have a conversation with anyone else who does. If your jazz friends did not have conversations about music with you, that says much more about you than them. I have learned a great deal from this thread, personally, and am very happy that you started it.   I am truly sorry if you see me as nothing but a negative influence, and will withdraw if you are serious about it.  
If indeed this is to be my last post on this thread, I will add two more general comments.  You seem to have this bizarre idea that the worlds of classical and jazz do not and cannot mix.  Nothing could be further from the truth.   One of my good friends in my orchestra is a bass player, who also happens to be nationally known and respected as one of the best jazz bassists.  Frogman himself is another example - what is unique about he and my friend is the extremely high professional level they have attained in both genres - not that they play both genres. Many, many musicians play both genres.  
One last thing - your comment that you either have "it", or you don't.  While this is basically true, there are a great many people out there who had "it", but did not put in the work and study they needed to, and fell by the wayside.  Merely having "it" is not anywhere near enough.  Miles put in some serious study, and some serious work, all of his life, both before and after he was in school - as does any musician of any kind who is any damn good at all.   Do you have to go to school?  No - but you do have to put in the work and the study.  

IMO whats good about being a serious musician is that it is one of the half-dozen or so jobs in this society  that are actually inherently worth doing .

Every time brings new forms. Jazz as it once was was specific in many ways, and its hard to expect that things will remain the same.Without many words, the perspective on music is probably different in Europe than in States. It goes without saying that now education is considered as a plus. If you dont mind I will share two short live clips, gigs were held in my home country. First one is Gypsy jazz...

[url]https://youtu.be/8SxBP3-F7PY?list=PL24C479249F261AEA[/url]

Just to mention, violin player Florin Nicolescu attended Conservatorie de Paris, the accordian player Marjan Krajna gradueted on Russsian state music Academy, and the bass player Jurica Stelma is member of national filharmonic orchestra. Of course,all of that does not make them necessarily good jazz musicians, or does not prove anything, but imho it certainly helps.

[url]https://youtu.be/bPook3wafBc?list=PL3R0km4nxthXF4r_uKUvg_5FHMfwkeFW3[/url]

The young guy on vibrahone Simun Matisic, has also classical education, bass player is mentioned above. Somehow that seems to be pattern, in this present time, classicly trained musicians are playing jazz for their own pleasure.

Orpheus, on first album vibrahone is played by B.H. on second its Roy Ayers. You can find all mentined albums and more on Amazon

Alexatpos, very nice posts recently; thank you.

I particularly enjoyed the Billy Bean posts.  As you point out, Bean is a little known guitarists to most jazz lovers, but a local legend in the Northeast USA area.  Wonderful player with a beautifully fluid style who was part of the Philadelphia scene where he served to be one of the great and fellow Philadelphian Pat Martino's influences.  To Learfool's post: most major cities or major metropolitan areas in the USA have always had a local jazz guru who many of the famous players have gone to in order to study with them.  In Philadelphia it was Dennis Sandole, a guitarist who players like Bean and even John Coltrane went to.  The great Pat Martino:

[URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cyqJwJzGB0g[/URL]

One of the most interesting stories in all of jazz lore.  Pat Martino suffered a brain aneurysm late in his careerand lost much of his memory and actually had to relearn to play the guitar by listening to his own recordings and studying with the students that he had taught..  Amazing individual and considered one of the very greatest by guitar players.  

Also enjoyed the Curtis Amy clips, very good player, but I don't consider him, or Dupree, have been (Bean? 😉) top tier players. I agree with Alex that many of these players deserve more recognition and its a shame that they are forgotten, but I will stick to my contention that with a few notable exceptions (Bean) most of the "forgotten" players are forgotten for a reason.

Alex's Hot Club Jazz clips take me back to moto_man's recent post re Lionel Hampton.  He was discussed early in this thread.  One of my very favorite clips from that era on all of YouTube and one that brings a little humor to several of the "Hot" topics of the thread:

[URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YsJScuVa_HI[URL]

Jafant, haven't heard them yet, but I would be on the lookout for Peter Erskine's "Dr Um"; new for 2016.