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Audio Research discontinuing lower lines components?

I have looked at several components in Audio Research's line and they are discontinuing the LS17-se, PH8, and PH6.  They discontinued the DAC 8.  I know there is a new Ref 6 to replace the Ref 5se and their is a new Ref Phono 3 to replace the Ref Phone 2se coming out.  I talked to my dealer and he stated that Audio Research seems to be making their components look more McIntosh like in the Galeo series. 

The dealer stated their isn't going to be anything that he has heard that will replace the other lines at this point and that AR will be starting at the LS-27, which is $7500 for preamps.  The Ref 75se is the beginning of the line for Amps, which I know, but man are they going the Mac route with prices, nothing to replace the DAC 8 and the other DAC in the line is $11,000, what's up with this, have you guys heard anything more. 

The starting point for AR equipment is getting pretty high and the only way a newer person without means will be able to afford it will be to buy use, which could send the used prices up if there isn't anything else in the line.  What do you guys think and what have you heard?
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lalitk
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ARC's flagship at 30K.....

The manufacturing cost is no more 12K, rest is all middle man and dealer markup.  Look at Nordost Odin, does a loom of wire really cost thousands of dollars?

Do your research, invest your hard earned money wisely!
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onhwy61
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I can understand some of the disappointment and anger directed at ARC.  They are not the same company as they used to be.  The new management has clearly moved the company towards being a more luxury brand and wants to charge higher prices then before.  It ain't about inflation!  They want to compete against real expensive components and to do that they feel they have to drop what was their entry level line.  Notice that ARC's parent company is not pursuing this same strategy with Sonus Faber.  Will ARC succeed at higher prices?  Who knows, but if they come up with a slogan "Not your father's Audio Research", then say bye-bye to one of the great audiophile brands.
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jafreeman
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Have to adjust your figures a bit, Oregon. The war’s unpaid cost has been four trillion with another two trillion projected in ongoing commitments to veterans, overseas training forces, drones, etc. They lowered taxes on the wealthy and suggested we go shopping to help out. The stimulus was a bargain for America. The bailout was a crime against Americans.  Go shopping for high-end, my fellow audiophiles.  

taters
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Lalitk,

Why would ARC let the dealer make more profit on a reference piece of 30k than they do. The dealers buy at 40 percent of the retail price.
So if the retail is 30k and the dealer get a 40 percent discount after that there cost would be 18k. So on a 30k sale the dealer would make 12k. And then you said ARC produces the piece for 12k. If your numbers are correct the dealer would make twice the profits on the piece than the manufacturer. It doesn't work that way. If the dealer is making 12k on the piece rest assured the manufacturer is making just as much or more. 

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lalitk
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taters...you're misinformed here.  I say it from my experience of buying brand new high end components and cables in last 10 plus years.  The mark-ups in high end audio are just ridiculous.  

I am am not here to change the ways of the world, just don't agree with such 'fat' mark-ups.  

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