Tonearm recommendation


Hello all,
Recently procured a Feickert Blackbird w/ the Jelco 12 inch tonearm.
The table is really good, and its a keeper. The Jelco is also very good, but not as good as my Fidelity Research FR66s. So the Jelco will eventually hit Ebay, and the question remains do I keep the FR66s or sell that and buy something modern in the 5-6 K range. My only point of reference is my old JMW-10 on my Aries MK1, so I don't know how the FR66s would compare to a modern arm. So I'd like to rely on the collective knowledge and experience of this group for a recommendation.

Keep the FR66s, or go modern in the 5-6K range, say a Moerch DP8 or maybe an SME.

Any and all thoughts and opinions are of course much appreciated.

Cheers,      Crazy Bill
wrm0325

Dover, Sorry I didn't see this sooner. You accept this nonsense as correct, or just the part about a noisy mechanism?

>>additional we have to remember that the 64/66 are dynamic balanced designs  and all dynamic balanced designs always generate ringing ( noise/distortions. ) through the dynamic mechanism but two tonearm design: the MAX 237/282 and Luste GST-801. Adding to that problem the micro and macro waves in the LP recorded surface makes that in a dynamic balanced tonearm design the " normal " continuous changes in VTA/SRA/VTF  that always exist in any tonearm ( static balanced included. ) been more pronounced do that when there is a crest in the LP surface the deflection in the cartridge cantilever is higher in a dynamic balanced design that in the static balanced one that works with natural gravity where in the dynamic the mechanis always force to mantain the VTF but when is against a crest the cantilever is pushed up making a higher cantilever deflection.
In both kind of tonearm designs exist the problem but in the dynamic one is bigger. Normally when the human been goes against the mother nature fall down.<<

These are the ravings of someone who makes things up, or doesn't understand what he reads.  When a static balanced cart is riding up a warp VTF is substantially reduced. The cart/arm is accelerating upwards.  What happens when VTF is reduced? VTA is steeper angle.

At the crest VTF/VTA are more affected with a static balanced cart and it's much more likely to mistrack.  Due to the constant spring action a dynamically balanced cart will maintain a more even VTF. Back in the '80s we were setting up dynamically balanced arms by splitting the force.

Regards,



Fleib -
Just the bit about the spring mechanism & dynamic balance.
I agree that dynamic balance helps to maintain constant track force on warped records, but if you are not playing warped records then static balance should be fine. In my experience dynamic balance can suck life out of the sound. For me optimum for the FR64S is a mix of both. As I said in my post above I have removed the spring mechanism from some tonearms and there has been an audible improvement ( on non warped records ) to my ears.

As far as the ringing goes - its overrated in my view. I have heard in my system at worst a little sharpness in the upper midrange ( this is what they refer to I presume ) but as I suggested in my post above in my experience this can be eliminated by careful set up - optimising the counterweight mass, headshell selection, cable, arm board material etc, getting VTA, azimuth & tracking force absolutely dialled in.
I see Jonathan Carr uses a wrap on his FR64S arm tube but I do not like damping on tonearms as a general rule as it tends to suck life out of the sound and at worst smear the sound, particularly spongy or soft materials such as rubber, heat shrink, etc.
Raul - instead of talking about distortions - it would be more helpful if you simply described your experiences with Koetsu's which is what the op is using, and what differences in sound you heard between various arms. Which arm do you prefer and how does the sound differ in your preferred arm differ from the FR64 with a Koetsu installed in both. 

fleib: Maybe I did not explain the right way ( as almost happens. ). What are in " game " here? only the static/dinamic balance design?

no, there are several issues that play an important role about and one of them is the type of tonearm bearing, its quality and its friction levels in that bearing.

The FR tonearms were not designed with today best bearings and certainly not with a friction as low as the one ( example ) by Technics vintage tonearms of 4mg.

This low friction bearings ermit  that the cartridge in the crests/valleys tracks in very gentle way putting at minimum the changes in VTF/VTA, these Technics are statics designs and not 12" long.
In a dynamic balanced design with the 66 characteristics the crests pushed harder the cantilever/suspension in the cartridge because the dynamic mechanism always is pushing in the other direction but the LP crest has more force.

Try to find a EPA-100MK2 and make all the tests you want it against the 66 and then return to enlight about.

Btw, any of you 66 owners please go with a good " technician " and ask that he ( in your face. ) open the 66 tonearm bearing case and you will see the kind of tonearm bearing you today are " hearing " and trusting in.


Regards and enjoy the music,
R.
Dear syntax:  """  still writing his ringing nonsense like a broken record. The usual pain for brain. Old men never learn anything I guess. Buy some better electronics. You are not a perfectionist. """

I can't argue on your opinion that it's Your Opinion and I respect it.

As any one else we all are rpoud of what we have in our home audio system.

You are extremely proud of what you own. Any one can " see " it when you took the time to those all system individual items pictures in your virtual system and I can see that you still like the same " noise/distortion generator ""

You own not one FR but both the 64 and 66 and additional you have the RX MS TT that's a terrible one ( yes I own it. ), a design| with several drawbacks: a platter that ring like a bell, motor unit by Technics/Panasonic but very bad circuit parts and circuit board on the motor/control unit, non damped TT design with a terrible mistake because MS choosed to put the four arm boards exactly in the worst place that is where stay the TT foots where all kind of resonances/vibrations pass through each foot and directly are transmited to the all metal arm boards, etc, etc. I can go on on those so many design faults. In those regards the SX  version is the same.
Of course, you like tubes and some times SS too and several other "  generators .. "

Like you I owned, own or listened almost all the cartridges you have but one of the Koetsu stone version and maybe other 1-2 cartridges you own.

Good for you tha are so proud ( like me. ) with what you have and speaks of what kind of distortions you are enjoying.

Now, please make a favor toall of us and put some light on how the 66 helps a cartridge to it can shows at its best. Why and how? where and which are those 66 advantages or unique atributes that are so good for a phono cartridge?

I already posted why not with a wide explanation here and in some other threads several years ago in the same way I did t with the MS RX/SX TTs.
I'm sure that if you have is because you know for sure those 66 advantages and the whys of each one advantage to fullfill the cartridge needs, so I ask you how the 66 cover each cartridge needs.

If you can do it will be appreciated ( I'm sure ) for all of us and if you stay in silence then for sure you have nothing on hand other that the worst kind of audiophile " runaway ":  "" I like it. ""

Regards and enjoy the music,
R.