How to upgrade in pieces - or - tell me about your journey!


Hello

I am getting started on my journey into Hifi here and I would be willing to spend about 10k over the course of a couple of years to get my system from where it is today to something a step or two above. I intend for my system to always be a stereo system at heart and also for it to stay all digital (no intention of tape, tuner or vinyl - or eveb a CD player).

My current systems is a Sonos playing Tidal or lossless FLAC files from a NAS drive. The audio outputs of the Sonos get connected to a Jolida JD-202A which is a 40W class AB tube integrated. The speakers are Energy floorstanders.

I am happy for how the system sounds with a limited number of things - such as vocal heavy folk or classic rock (pre-70s) recorded in mono. It sounds integrated across the drivers with no one element of the speaker standing out. The soundstage is narrow, but the imaging is not bad.

Unfortunately, a vast majority of the music I listen to includes
  • A lot of baroque music. So the orchestra sizes are relatively small, but the vocals and melody lines are very nimble and need to be easy to follow for the counterpoint to show.
  • modern electronic music - not dance floor fillers - but more experimental stuff ranging from IDM (Autechre, Chris Clark, Squarepusher) to ambient (Brian Eno, Max Richter)
  • A good bit of classic jazz from the Miles Davis, Coltrane, Ornette Coleman and Herbie Hancock school.
  • Lots of modern pop & rock - including bands like Wilco, Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds, Sufjan Stevens, The National, Nine Inch Nails and Radiohead who include pretty much whatever the hell they want in their music.
My goals are to get a cohesive & well-integrated sound with lots of growl in the lower frequencies and a lots of treble with no "heat" or sizzle to give that sense of extreme clarity. Imaging & dynamics are more important than a massive soundstage, though I would like off axis sound to not be completely unlistenable so that me & a couple of friends can all sit or stand by the couch and enjoy the music. I am much more interested in clear, fast and articulate bass and to have that which exists have power rather than the speaker trying to reproduce things they are going to do a terrible job at. I am happy to supplement my speakers with a JL or REL sub in the future.

So based on wanting to hear the clarity I hear in my headphones (HD650 with a headphone amp) with a similar amount of articulate bass, I want to upgrade my main stereo system in pieces. I want to go about it in the following fashion, knowing that there will be times in the middle of the process where the system will be less than ideal.

  • First, purchase a DAC (looking at the Ayre Codex) & start feeding the Sonos output through that into the amplifier.
  • Second, upgrade the speakers. I am looking to eventually end up with fairly high power solid state, so I am considering the Revel F206 or F208 speakers. I know they will fail to deliver much with my amp and be on the quiet side, but I hope that once I swap out the amp, they will start to sing.
  • Third, find a power amp that can do at least 200W into 8 ohms. Perhaps the Bryston 4BSST2, Plinius, Parasound A21 or Benchmark power amp. Or maybe even a Mcintosh 402. Connect the DAC-pre directly into it via XLR to drive the speakers.
  • Fourth, replace the sonos with a Aurelic Aeries Mini and use the USB out of that device into the Ayre Codex as I hear that it makes a much better sound.
  • Lastly, consider putting a pre-amplifier into the path if necessary and I need expansion options (or if the sound quality of the dac suffers badly due to chopped off bits at low volumes)

So my final system would likely look like

Aurelic Aeries (Mini) -> Ayre Codex DAC -> (Ayre Pre-amp) -> Bryston/Parasound/Plinius/Benchmark/Mcintosh amp -> Revel Performa 3 F208.

I expect this whole process to last me about a couple of years.

Does this sound like a journey worth embarking upon? Anything there that sounds to like it would be a really dumb idea?
badri
@jl35 Thank you confirming with the idea of starting with the speakers and building the system around those.

Have you tried or heard the Revel Performa 3 F208? I am concerned that in the transition period between getting the speakers and replacing the amplifier, I will be stuck in a very lean and thin sounding world :) - but I guess such is the price to pay for being on an upgrade journey!
Ah well if an apartment (with others below) and hardwood floors even more reason to isolate no matter what speakers used.

I use use auralex subdude isolation platforms available on Amazon

http://www.amazon.com/Auralex-Acoustics-SubDude-II-Subwoofer-Isolation/dp/B00DI5AXNI

Under my floor standers with similar flooring. These are not expensive and work like a charm.

For monitors I use isoacoustics stands also available for similar cost on Amazon and these are similarly effective in cleaning up bass very nicely.

Your room is not large so you probably do not need very large speakers necessarily with the right amplification.

Once you clean up the bass you’ll be in a much better place to consider any other upgrades if needed. A good external dac on Sonos sounds like a good idea.

A nice decorative rug in front of the speakers to help absorb floor reflections would be another easy add to try once things are cleaned up a bit.




badri-

make a short-list of all of the gear that you would like to demo/own.
Then, carefully, listen to each piece at a dealer/retailer for the best
outcome!  Keep me posted & Happy Listening!
@jafant Thank you so much for your kind words. Will definitely update this forum. And at any rate, listening to my shortlist is exactly what I intended to do! :)

My thread was specifically about the order in which I was about to go down the road was good or problematic for some reason. i.e. is picking the speaker you like the sound of, regardless of current amplifier, and then upgrading the electronics to bring out the best in speaker the best way to go? Should I be okay if I connect my DAC to a power amp directly? etc.

Those are the bits I would like advise on. I would appreciate any insight you could provide. :)


@mapman That’s fantastic advise. I will definitely put those on order. Amazon is having some issues with their checkout process right this very moment - but I will try to get those pads as soon as I can checkout my cart. Would I need spikes on top of that pad too?

Also, thank you so much for your guess on not needing very large speakers. From what I can see, the Revel F208 are bigger than the speakers I have, but not too big for the room. Is there anything short of actually buying them that I can do to see how they would behave in my room? Do I have to rely on a kind dealer that will actually let me test them in my house? The ones I heard them at here in San Francisco said that they do not allow in-home testing. :(