Upgrading to an external Phonostages for my system


Here is my system...

Harman Karman HK990
VPI Scout turntable with a JMW-9 memorial arm and an Ortofon 2m bronze cartridge (mm)
Revels F52’s
SVS PB-NSD subwoofer.

Not schooled on these components at all but I’m in the process of researching them. I know it’s important to match the tone arm, and cart to it. What about the connects?

Someone has suggested a used JD9mk11, another suggested a used Ear834P.

Any suggestions?

Thank you for your input.

meambler
No doubt there are better phono stages than the one in your 990, but I don't know how much more you would get out of it by running a better phono stage through your 990 amp.
It would be sort of like putting a $5000 cartridge on your Scout turntable. A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link.

Don't under-estimate integrated amps either. I have been on both sides, and for me, there are some mighty fine integrated amps out there these days. I've owned monoblock amps, 2 chassis preamps, 2 chassis phono stages. Believe me, you can get as many boxes as you want.

I'd have to go to at least $30K in separates to beat my VAC integrated amp. I know, I've been there.  Then you have to throw more money in for the extra interconnects and power cords. I'll take a great integrated amp over good separates any day.

If you are stuck on a separate phono stage, the Allnic H1201 is very nice, and I would recommend it highly. Maybe overkill right now for the rest of your system, but maybe one day you may upgrade your analog front end and electronics to be able to take full advantage of the Allnic.


It really depends on your budget.  I just upgraded from a Trigon Vanguard / Volcano combination  to a Herron VTPH-2.  The Trigon combo is a great ~$1k phono stage.  The Herron is a great ~$4k phono stage.

You can check out a review of the HK on the Stereophile website that includes measurements.  I wouldn't say the VPI, Ortofon or HK are weak points, but the Stereophile review does imply that the phono stage could be better.  I don't know the speakers, but they are Revels, so can't be bad.

You are looking for an interconnect from the turntable to amp with low capacitance.  Again, it is a case of budget.  Cardas makes some that are very good.  If you don't have the budget, try the Blue Jeans LC-1's.

To be honest, I would look at setting up the speakers first and working on integrating the sub and speakers properly.

Hi, meambler, I guess my perspective differs from the others but I think you might find a noticable improvement in sound using a separate phono stage, depending on what you get. The HK 990 is likely a fine integrated amp (based on what I've read about it and having used HK amps in the past) and I wouldn't be in a big hurry to replace it. The onboard phono stage may be slightly less "audiophile" than the rest of the amp but that's no more than a hunch; it may sound pretty darn good as is. But if you're serious about upgrading, read on...

The biggest problem is that there are a bunch of great phono preamps in the $1000 -$1500 price range. Even up to $2000 over the long run. That's the range I'd be considering given the system you're running. The range could drop to $750 and there are even more options that would be worth looking into, but I think your current system could benefit from a quality phono preamp, especially when/if you upgrade the cartridge. (But that's a whole 'nother story. '-) Used phono stages are a low risk purchase in most cases so you could stretch your dollar that way.

You'll have to do some research and ideally you'll have a chance to listen to some examples, but here are the phono stages I'd be looking at if I were replacing mine (AcousTech PH-1P with Michell Gyro SE/SME 309):

Rogue Audio Triton (SS) $1000 (I use a Rogue Stealth with a mmf-7)

Musical Surroundings Nova II  $1200 (LOTS of flexibility in this one! I almost bought one before going with the PH-1P.)

Avid Pellar  $1200 (Has a slot for custom resistors, like my PH-1P.)

Sunderland Insight $1400 (Mainly because I like Sutherland's designs.)

Rogue Audio Ares (tubed)  $2000  (The only tubed preamp on my list.)

LIberty Audio B2B-1  $2000 (My first choice if I had the money)

There are other quality phono stages that I had considered at one time but they have limited options for LOMC cartridge loading and gain so they weren't on my list. The EAR 834P is one of them.

It probably goes without saying, but I caution you about putting too much importance in someone's suggestions. Too many variables to be able to know your system and room acoustics and listening preferences. Suggestions are just a place to start your research. Have fun!


Regards,

Tom

PS: I've used a Jolida JD9 for many years and I like it, but I don't recommend it because it has too much gain. It's just not set up very well for MM and high output MC cartridges. If Jolida reconfigured it to provide a wider range of gain settings (eliminating the attenuated "LO" output) they'd have a winner. Of course they'd probably have to charge more money so it would be competing with some very capable phono preamps. One of Jolida's selling points has been value for cost; that would change if the price goes up much more than it already has.