The Frogman:
ahahahahahahah I have to laugh out loud. This is getting to be ridiculous.
I will try again.
We were having a conversation in which you offered a definition of Jazz. A definition that I have absolutely no problem with!!
Before you stated the definition, you made a comment about people saying things like, "I know it when I hear it", and Implied that that was too easy. Sort of like a cop-out.
In respoding to your post, I attempted to show that a piece of music could meet your written definition of Jazz, and NOT BE JAZZ! That's what I meant, when I stated that, hearing it being of the upmost importance. (know it when you hear it).
The point of the bluegrass piece was to show that this was an example of such a piece of music.
I play it often and have always felt it had a lot of Jazz elements in it. I said it COULD meet your definition.
You said it does have improvisation, but does not meet the definition due to the lack of complexity and sophistication of the music, and interaction between the players. I said that these qualities could be a matter of degree or opinion. i.e. maybe the bluegrass players consider their music fairly complex etc....
I did not say, or mean to imply that the bluegrass piece was Jazz, just to show, that a written definition, no matter how well constructed, cannot be the final answer.
The music must be HEARD! Or maybe in the case of a pro, looked at on paper.
The Hancock piece. I listened to it again. At least 12 minutes of it. 12 minutes I will never get back.
The dynamic range thingy. Don't stoop to 'gotcha' audiophile techniques. You knew what I meant.
I think I didn't like it because of the electronic keyboards and the electric bass. And that mind-numbing repetition of the rhythm section.
It does not sound muffled, bad word, it sounded like what I said, Booker T. No disrepect to Booker T. Memphis Soul. Stax. I love music, but I got tired of listening to it. Maybe it got better later on. I will concede that possibility. I am sure his shoes were appropiate to the music being played. Maybe some horns joined later.
Music genres with hypenated names is used to create new catagories or new genres of established music genres, so that the noise makers can play. And get awards. And make money.
We really have no disagreement.
I will now go into Chief Joseph Mode, and fight no more, forever.
Cheers
ahahahahahahah I have to laugh out loud. This is getting to be ridiculous.
I will try again.
We were having a conversation in which you offered a definition of Jazz. A definition that I have absolutely no problem with!!
Before you stated the definition, you made a comment about people saying things like, "I know it when I hear it", and Implied that that was too easy. Sort of like a cop-out.
In respoding to your post, I attempted to show that a piece of music could meet your written definition of Jazz, and NOT BE JAZZ! That's what I meant, when I stated that, hearing it being of the upmost importance. (know it when you hear it).
The point of the bluegrass piece was to show that this was an example of such a piece of music.
I play it often and have always felt it had a lot of Jazz elements in it. I said it COULD meet your definition.
You said it does have improvisation, but does not meet the definition due to the lack of complexity and sophistication of the music, and interaction between the players. I said that these qualities could be a matter of degree or opinion. i.e. maybe the bluegrass players consider their music fairly complex etc....
I did not say, or mean to imply that the bluegrass piece was Jazz, just to show, that a written definition, no matter how well constructed, cannot be the final answer.
The music must be HEARD! Or maybe in the case of a pro, looked at on paper.
The Hancock piece. I listened to it again. At least 12 minutes of it. 12 minutes I will never get back.
The dynamic range thingy. Don't stoop to 'gotcha' audiophile techniques. You knew what I meant.
I think I didn't like it because of the electronic keyboards and the electric bass. And that mind-numbing repetition of the rhythm section.
It does not sound muffled, bad word, it sounded like what I said, Booker T. No disrepect to Booker T. Memphis Soul. Stax. I love music, but I got tired of listening to it. Maybe it got better later on. I will concede that possibility. I am sure his shoes were appropiate to the music being played. Maybe some horns joined later.
Music genres with hypenated names is used to create new catagories or new genres of established music genres, so that the noise makers can play. And get awards. And make money.
We really have no disagreement.
I will now go into Chief Joseph Mode, and fight no more, forever.
Cheers