Isolating Digital Noise, need help.


I'm hearing noise from my ARC CDP thru my speakers presenting as a high frequency "whine" or "soft screeching." I need to isolate my digital from the AC line it shares with my analogue components. Running another dedicated line is not an option at this time.

I was wondering if a power strip with isolated receptacles, such as star-grounding, would be an alternative to a separate AC line.
As a test, I now have the CDP connected to a different outlet in my house and the noise thru my system is eliminated.

Would this type of power strip be an effective solution, and if so, I could use some recommendations. I have several layers of Blue Circle power conditioning, so I would need a strip with surge/EMF/RFI protection.
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Jim (Jea48), you provided an excerpt and a link to Mr. Hansen’s statement in the last post on this page. However, I would not interpret his statement to mean that signal ground should be connected **directly** to the chassis, as that can be conducive to ground loop issues. Preferably signal ground should be connected to the chassis through a low value resistor (e.g., 10 to 100 ohms). As you’ve probably seen, for example, a lot of ARC designs use 10 ohms.

My VAC amp, btw, has a three position switch controlling that connection. One position connects signal ground and chassis directly; one position is described as connecting them at audio and higher frequencies but not at DC (presumably via a high value capacitor, perhaps in combination with a resistor); and one position is described as connecting them only at RF frequencies (presumably via a low value capacitor, perhaps in combination with a resistor). The AF and RF positions seem to sound slightly better in my system than the DC position, and I’ve settled on the AF position (which the manual recommends as the one to start with).

In any event, it is strange indeed that the Sunfire amp connects signal ground and safety ground together but not to chassis. If it happens to be connecting the grounds to chassis via a capacitor, though, it would explain why the meter reads OL between the grounds and chassis. But it still would not explain the safety issue that would presumably result from the lack of a direct connection between safety ground and chassis.
continuity of each RCA center pin and pin 2 of XLR... OL
Check for continuity between the RCA center pin and pin 3 of the XLR connector. If that measures near zero ohms, you would want to put the jumper between pins 1 and 2 of the XLR connector.

If that also reads OL, however, it would probably mean that the XLR and RCA inputs are received by separate receiver stages, in which case it would be ideal (although perhaps neither necessary nor practical) to jumper both pins 2 and 3 to pin 1. Or, in that situation (both pin 2 and pin 3 read OL relative to the RCA center pin) you could try jumpering each possible combination of two pins together (1 to 2; 1 to 3; 2 to 3), assessing the three possibilities one at a time.

Best regards,
-- Al



Jim (Jea48), you provided an excerpt and a link to Mr. Hansen's statement in the last post on this page. However, I would not interpret his statement to mean that signal ground should be connected **directly** to the chassis, as that can be conducive to ground loop issues. Preferably signal ground should be connected to the chassis through a low value resistor (e.g., 10 to 100 ohms). As you've probably seen, for example, a lot of ARC designs use 10 ohms.

Al,

Thanks for pointing that out. When the equipment uses the safety equipment ground the designer of the equipment, in most cases would not connect the signal ground directly to the chassis. Arc uses a 10 ohm resistor as well. Somewhere in the thread Link you provide I think I mentioned that.

Here again is the actual statement of Charles Hansen's 


The only way that the case can provide any shielding for the audio circuitry is if it is connected to the signal ground. In addition, if it is left unconnected from the signal ground, then it will create unwanted capacitive feedback loops (both positive and negative) between various parts of the circuitry. Refer to Morrison's books for additional details.

 
http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/general/messages/52/525622.html 

Here is the entire AA posted message. 
http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/general/messages/52/525276.html



In any event, it is strange indeed that the Sunfire amp connects signal ground and safety ground together but not to chassis. Although if it happens to be making the connection to chassis via a capacitor, it would of course explain why the meter reads OL.

UL says the equipment ground must be connected, bonded, directly to the chassis doesn't it? Of course we don't know if the Amp is UL Listed, or was safety tested by any recognized third party testing laboratory.

Off subject,  I was on another audio forum last week and learned there is a well know US audio manufacture, (I will not mention the name here), that provided a ground lift switch on the back of one of his amps. The switch doesn't lift the signal ground from the chassis. It lifts the safety equipment ground wire from the chassis. Obviously the amp is not Listed by any recognized third party testing laboratory.

Jim

Thanks, Jim. Regarding ...
UL says the equipment ground must be connected, bonded, directly to the chassis doesn’t it?
... Shortly after submitting my post, and shortly before you responded, I revised the paragraph you quoted from as follows:
In any event, it is strange indeed that the Sunfire amp connects signal ground and safety ground together but not to chassis. If it happens to be connecting the grounds to chassis via a capacitor, though, it would explain why the meter reads OL between the grounds and chassis. But it still would not explain the safety issue that would presumably result from the lack of a direct connection between safety ground and chassis.
Best regards,
-- Al

jea48 and Al,
Checked continuity between RCA center pin and pin 3 XLR... OL
Same as the previous test for RCA to pin 2 XLR... OL

CDP...
I used the 25 ft. heavy-duty ext. cord with the Audience PC plugged into the Furman strip with preamp today and into the dedicated line, (no power conditioner). The high-pitched noise presented after the components were warmed up. The noise was not as loud, but is still audible.
Tried it with and w/o Jensen Isomax at CDP's output. The Jensen does lower the level of the noise, but it's still objectionable.

jea, since you commented on the high gain of the CDP (2.7V), I checked it by playing thru a different preamp input and the gain is too high. Ralph put in the -6dB pad for me as a mod due to the CDP's high gain spec. And it sounds very good.

As far as the readings I'm getting, do I need a better multi-meter?
And I just thought of something. I bought my amp used from a HiFi dealer; it was his personal amp. Could he have lifted the ground for use in his system?