Anti skate. I think something's wrong


I have an Acoustic Signiture TT with a Graham 2.2 tonearm and Ortofon Cadenza Bronze cartridge. My anti skate is set close to tracking weight and it would always dig to in inside when I would start a record. I read this is wrong so I got my Cardas test record out and placed it in smooth section and it imediately gravitated to inside. I adjusted anti skate to where cartridge slighty pulls to inside . Here is the problem. To get this I'm having to adjust anti skate to the max. I rechecked TT and it is right on level wise. I have less sibilence now and swear the two channels are more even. The right channel has always been just slightly lower than left in volume. The only qualm I have is the max antiskate I have to use. Is bearing bad? I have the blue fluid. Or I shouldn't worry and enjoy the music. Mike
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Dear Fleib,

No worries.

Yes, it’s interesting to get a general overview of how successful folk are at keeping VTF within reasonable limits. Most people tend to live at the top end of the spectrum. Sometimes this is because others recommend it or perhaps because they’ve used Test Tones resulting in a "maxxing out" of A/S.

Indeed there is a minority "Cult of Excessive VTF" (i.e. beyond the manufacturers recommendation or max limit) which is not always discouraged by manufacturers on the grounds that the customer is always right (Why argue? Whatever makes them happy!) ;^)


Now, I’m not saying that any of our illustrious "zero A/S" contributors here are getting anywhere near that level of VTF in their quest for zero anti-skate just that there are others out there compensating for different reasons.

For the benefit of those who may be misled into maxxing out on VTF (or over-Maxxing) we should publish the standard warning that VTF increases skating force and thereby unilateral wear on the diamond. There is a price to pay...


Don’t know if you’ve tried the following experiment? Several years ago I performed multiple needledrops of one side of an LP, bracketing the optimum A/S setting ranging from “A/S max” to a setting below the optimum. Then I was able to rapidly switch between them on an HDD running them effectively in parallel with each other.

(This of course assumed that VTF should be identically/ideally "mid-range" for all needledrops.)

As you quite rightly say, changes in general balance between each setting are clearly audible (whether there is an actual voltage amplitude difference is contentious for some). Subtle though the differences are when AB-ing, what was interesting about this was that listeners didn’t hugely dislike any of the settings but would eventually arrive at a preference with some difficulty.

On the other hand, doing a similar experiment "the hard way" by adjusting the T/T then using a fading musical memory of the programme material to compare will of course still work, albeit less successfully because few people want to wear out the same snapshot over & over again on an LP, so for the purposes of comparison it’s undeniably easier & quicker to switch between samples and instantly replay on an HDD.

One of the rare advantages of digital technology...it’s consistent. ;^)

Truman, might I suggest you add one thing to your method.  When you get that centered image, try to incrementally change anti-skate more and less, until you decide what you like the best.  Sleep on your results, and look to see what setting gets you more excited about listening to your records.  I think I found the correct setting was incrementally less than where the image seemed to lock in.  This method is actually more scientific than you might think, because it takes into account things we can't/don't measure.  There can be many things(electronics, speakers, etc.) that are imperfect in their balance, etc.
 I didn't read the entire Post I have a sota cosmos SME V tonearm and Retip ortofon jubilee set at 2.2 grams if I raise a/s higher than 2 won't track in silent part of test record and if I go lower than 2 same result try a/s same as tracking  weight hope helps although you probably did 

Dear Etone,

"Ortofon jubilee set at 2.2 grams if I raise a/s higher than 2 won't track in silent part of test record..."


I'm slightly puzzled by this comment.  Is this test not intended to highlight bearing noise/rumble rather than mistracking?

Can you explain?