Tonearm mount on the plinth or on Pillar ?


Folks,
I am looking to buy a custom built turntable from Torqueo Audio (http://www.torqueo-audio.it/). They have two models, one with a wide base plinth where the tonearm would be mounted on the plinth (as usual) and the second is a compact plinth where they provide a seperate tonearm pillar to mount the tonearm. According to them the separate tonearm pillar version sounds more transparent and quieter because of the isolation of the tonearm from the TT. My concern is whether seperating the tonearm from the plinth would result in a lesser coherence in sound ? Isnt sharing the same platform results in a more well-timed, coherent presentation ? Any opinions ?
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I think I may need to offer a clarification on my reference to earthquakes. At least for those living with more stable terra firma who don't experience them.

My concern is not so much for movement while I'm listening (touche czarivey), although that is possible, but rather for shifting of the arm position whenever a quake occurs.  Since the table and arm (including bases) do not have the same mass their likelihood and degree of movement will not be the same.  And I may not even know the quake happened, and so to recheck alignment, but my system may not then sound "right" afterwards.

Of course as others mentioned there are other earth borne vibrations to be concerned with.  Is there a major highway nearby?  Any bus or large truck traffic?  Is there construction close to you?  And those are all external forces.  How stable is your turntable platform to begin with?

  
Those tables are so so cool looking. Love it.. A separate pillar would give you the option of a longer arm but the larger base with the arm mount in it looks like it makes the whole base large. I want one.

There is a long thread on this subject started by Halcro, in the context of which he refers to the idea of separating arm pod and plinth, which he favors, as "Copernican".  I vigorously disagree with him; I agree with Ralph (Atma-sphere) that the two should move as one.  However, I do agree with Halcro on many other subjects, and I consider him a friend. Ergo this point is no longer worth arguing about.  He and anyone else can do as they please, and I will do as I please.  We'll both be happy, I am sure.

I will just say one thing: Moonglum, your statement that the tonearm and plinth resonate separately even if they are locked rigidly together is kind of an oxymoron; if they resonate separately, then the goal of tying them together rigidly has not been met.  And in fact, I think a lot of designs are imperfect like that.  It takes a very substantial structural linkage to achieve the proper resonant unity.

I also think that if you bolt an outboard armpod to a rigid shelf and also bolt the plinth to the same shelf, you are doing the right thing.  The last photo I saw of Halcro's TT101 set-up looked to me like he was doing that; it looked excellent in fact.
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Dear Lew,

You're misquoting me. I said resonate "differently" not "separately". A subtle distinction but a real one nevertheless.

Do you disagree that tonearms resonate in the manner I described?

I think you're taking an over-simplistic view of the design brief. A tonearm will have a natural level of decoupling (point contact through bearings or a single point bearing). Even if the T/T chassis is heavier than an anvil there is a limit to the extent that such coupling can damp the behaviour of the arm(?)

Look at it another way, if such behaviour did not exist it would be pointless selling clip on dampers for tonearms, or using silicone fluid to help control it even in some of the finest engineered tonearms ;^)

A more graphic example is if you clenched a tuning fork in your fist, vibration would be suppressed. If you hold it in the proscribed manner it will operate but it's important to note that a massive object (you) is nevertheless still gripping a non-massive object (the tuning fork).

I don't know Halcro's outboard system but I haven't condemned any approach in fact I seem to remember endorsing what Ralph said ;^)

Kind regards,