... how important is Damping factor in determining what amp to buy


Hi there...

Just how important is damping factor in determining what amp to buy?

In literature and specs - I find this is an often left-out bit of info...


justvintagestuff

Atmasphere OHM generally indicates 6 OHM nominal impedance for their Walsh line speakers.

I have seen measurements and impedance curves on some models that show fairly high impedance >8 ohms over extended ranges with the greatest dip down to almost 4 ohm in the bass region possibly associated with the port.

Users over the years have indicated best results with higher damping amp ratings and I would agree. How high is needed is debatable but I always find the higher the better even if Justas an insurance policy and nothing concrete theoretically to support the need.

If I had to rate them based on what I know and what others report I would say they are moderately tube amp friendly, probably more so than many speakers in their class.


The Dynaudios most likely have lower impedances and are also generally known to not be very tube amp friendly and I would agree. In fact even with SS amps I find results can vary widely with Dynaudios whereas its very hard to find any good quality amp that sounds bad with the OHMs.

Remember also that the OHMs operate totally different than most dynamic speakers ie based on Lincoln Walsh’s transmission line principles. I suspect this may make them very unique in regards to impedance considerations but do not know enough about it technically to say for sure.


I have two OHM models, larger ones with 12" main drivers and smaller with 8".    The higher damping in the amps seem to make more difference with the larger models to me than the smaller although I'd say there are audible differences in general with both..

Hi Kijanki,

I pretty much agree with your post, as far as it goes. But your comments about damping factor just address ... damping. Keep in mind, as has been said, that damping factor is inversely proportional to output impedance, and once output impedance gets above negligible levels (as it will in the case of most tube amps, and at least a few solid state amps), it can certainly matter, as a result of impedance interactions between the amp and the speaker.

Best regards,
-- Al
OH MAN AGAIN...

Interesting to hear you Gurus going back and forth...

Need to reread this several times , list those for and against an effect, throw out the high and the low - and then consult the Russian Judge!

And in a some-what related question: I am presently using a Phillips High Fidelity Labratories Pre-Amplifier(1980?) - would the damping factor be affected if I switched to a Line-Level triode preamp (like the Wolze I have)? Does/can the preamp affect the damping factor of a amplifier?
... would the damping factor be affected if I switched to a Line-Level triode preamp (like the Wolze I have)? Does/can the preamp affect the damping factor of a amplifier?
No on both counts.  However in some cases bass can be weakened when a tube preamp is used in conjunction with a solid stage preamp (and, less frequently, with other combinations of gear), due to impedance interactions between the two components.  But although I don't have any information on the Wolze, that appears very unlikely to be a problem if it is used with your Nikko amp or with the power amp section of your Onkyo integrated amp, since they have high input impedances (50K and 100K respectively).

Regards,
-- Al
 
Al, I agree, but when people refer to DF (including this discussion), they mention control of the woofer.  The effects of complex load should diminish when source impedance is 10 times smaller than the load.  DF=20 should be a good choice.   At this point I would prefer output impedance that is constant with frequency over high DF.  My amp's output impedance varies from 0.002ohm@5Hz to about 1ohm@20kHz.  Tweeter's impedance is very high at 20kHz but there usually is some network of resistor in series with capacitor, parallel to the tweeter.  Can this affect the sound?

One more thing about control of the speaker at low frequencies - amplifier might be the one that is uncontrolled.  Audio amps are designed often with assumption that they will play 20-20kHz.  Because of that, they are often equipped with servo on DC that has bandwidth of few Hz.  Presence of very low frequencies coming form the source (movie, TT vibration, special effect etc) can make this servo to overcompensate and go crazy (unstable) affecting audible band.