Jeff Rowlands Amp and Dac vs. VAC amp and DAC


Hello, I am new to this forum but I have a question. I am trying to pair an amp + DAC with my Wilson Sabrinas. I have listened to Jeff Rowlands integrated with the Aeris DAC. And the VAC Sigma integrated with the Aeris DAC. Price is a factor and so is space. Does the 625 need a pre-amp? Any suggestions or thoughts? 
rinpoche
jbrrp1,

I also have a VAC SigMKIIa pre and just had it upgraded to SE several months ago.   Kevin offers an upgrade every decade and I STRONLY recommend it.   A No Brainer!

I'm driving the TAD E1 with ARC Ref250SE and Hegel H30.   H30 in the summer and backup.  
Rinpoche, what other loudspeakers did you listen to when you picked the Sabrinas?

All, looks like I am a little late to this Rowland/VAC watering hole... Here are some clarifications about M625 S2 and Aeris DAC....


1. The M625 series operates in higher bias class A/B. It does not run in class D, as someone seems to hav suggested instead.


The current version of M625 is M625 S2. This model delivers 325W / 8 Ohms instead of the 300 of the original. Internally, it has several enhancements over the original and its sound considerably more refined. A while ago I received some details from the factory:


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The 625 S2 improves upon the original 625 in a number of important areas.

 

We have taken the existing circuit topology and improved the important distortion specification at higher frequencies (above 2kHz) to a virtually unmeasureable level extending beyond 20 kHz .

This was accomplished with an innovative error correction technique previously unknown, or never implemented in the art of amplifier design.

 

The S2 incorporates a new custom designed input transformer and linear phase low pass filter for improved input signal buffering and EMI immunity.

 

Gold plated Cardas XLR input connectors with Rhodium contacts and teflon insulation provides a  visually distinguishing appearance from the original 625 and provides improved signal integrity.

 

The S2 amplifier incorporates ceramic Rogers circuit board material for reduced dielectric energy storage.

 

The S2 Power Factor Corrected regulated Power supply improves upon the original 625 by incorporating Jensen four-pole capacitors  which offers nearly an order of magnitude

 reduction of output impedance and noise suppression. The power supply output voltage has been increased slightly to yield a 25 watt increase in total amplifier power output.

 

...


I have received the M625 S2 manual complete with technical specs. Here is a link to it on my public DropBox.

 

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53640097/JRDG_M625_S2_MANUAL_REVA1.pdf


And here is a link to the January 2016 review article on HiFi News:


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53640097/HFN_Jeff%20Rowlad%20625%20S2_hires.pdf


All Rowland amps can be driven successfully from the Aeris DAC without a preamp in between... I drive my own Aeris directly into my M925 monos. If you use a preamp between Aeris and amp, you should set the Aeris attenuation to the DAC's equivalent of unity gain: per the Aeris manual, the right volume LED is lit up solid without flashing.


I have used Aeris on its own as well as with the Rowland Criterion linestage. Criterion is the now discontinued battery-powered version of Corus. With Criterion between amp and DAC the presentation is slightly softer/warmer, while driving Aeris into amps directly, resolution and transparency is maximized and background noise essentially non existent.


It is worth pointing out that Aeris as well as Rowland amps take a very long time to break in completely.... Complete stability is achieved at approximately the 1500 hours mark. Particularly, evaluating such electronics with less than 800 hours on them will yield false results... Aeris for example may still sound subtly peaky in the treble... Yet, there is nothing peaky in a fully stabilized Aeris... Sound is extremely complex and rich, without emphasis on any particular band of the spectrum.


As for Rowland delivering magic... Yes, Aeris + my M925 monos do deliver extreme magic to my ears. It is my conjecture that the combination of Aeris with M625 S2 would be as satisfying, while not attaining the same enormous scale of power-dependent parameters. Eventually, I hope to be able to verify this hypothesis in my own system.


BTW, there is now M725 in production.... Essentially same circuitry of M625 S2, but in monoblock configuration. 330W/8 with 1200W DC SMPS and dedicated PFC unit in each chassis.


Let me know if you need further information.


Regards, Guido


Guido,

I love the Aeris DAC's sound, but dislike the way the gain is accomplished. Per your statement, "If you use a preamp between Aeris and amp, you should set the Aeris attenuation to the DAC's equivalent of unity gain: per the Aeris manual, the right volume LED is lit up solid without flashing." I was originally told to set the attenuation on the DAC so that the left and right volume LED's are of equal brightness. I didn't have enough gain, so I settled on 10 clicks below the right volume LED flashing. I reached out to Rowland three days ago and yesterday Mr. Rowland told me to adjust the gain as you stated. What a difference and I was thinking of selling my 625 S2 and getting the 725 S2's for more power...NOT ANYMORE, THE 625 S2 HAS PLENTY OF POWER now that the gain on the Aeris has been correctly set.

"Pokey77,  ARC GSi75 is using KT150 and 200iq is 100 wpc with KT88 so my guess it can handle a tougher load??   200iq can roll KT150 and I mentioned to dealer it would be an interesting experiment."

Knghifi, let me say, I'm not all that knowledge about tube gear. I just know what I like. And when I heard that ARC amp the first time, the presenter made a special point of it employing the KT150 tubes; I would guess to imply that the amp is stronger than rated. I can tell you that many at the demo were amazed at the power, grip, resolve, and transparency that the GSi75 demonstrated. To us, it sounded like it had significantly more power than its reported 75 wpc. -I've not heard that much tube gear that really impressed me, and I've heard much more expensive tube gear driving significantly pricier speakers, but the GSi75 integrated with the Sabrina's is, for me, heaven. It has that tube magic with SS resolve and clarity. I have no idea what the VAC and the Rowland in this thread sound like. If I've heard them at a show, I have no real recollection.