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Rok, just curious, what do you base the "arrogant twerk" comment on? If you are basing it on his comment about Beethoven, what is arrogant about a statement of fact (Beethoven's laborious composing methodology); especially one in which he praises Beethoven as being "one of the greatest creators of music"?

"Most people who knew him through dealings connected with performances spoke of him as polite, courteous and helpful." - Erik Satie

****And The Masters did not live in the age of hype / media, and the advantages that can bring, if a person is a darling of the press.****

Are you aware that he was far from wealthy and had to be financially supported throughout his career by, among others, Leopold Stokowski? If you are suggesting that his acclaim is the result of "hype", I could tell you that you are seriously mistaken, but I think it would be much more productive to encourage you to actually familiarize yourself with his works before making those insinuations. Have you heard "The Firebird", "Petrushka", "Symphony In Three Movements"? From one of the greatest musical minds ever:

"The death of Stravinsky means the final disappearance of a musical generation which gave music its basic shock at the beginning of this century and which brought about the real departure from Romanticism. Something radically new, even foreign to Western tradition, had to be found for music to survive, and to enter our contemporary era. The glory of Stravinsky was to have belonged to this extremely gifted generation and to be one of the most creative of them all." - Pierre Boulez

Now, re your life span stats:

I hope we can agree that the size of the output is no indication of its quality. Nonetheless, it is true that Mozart was an incredible genius with an output of over six hundred published works (and probably many unpublished); although some are clearly more memorable than others. But, did you know that Stravinsky wrote about twice as many works as Beethoven? So, if one considers that Stravinsky lived about one third longer than Beethoven, then it can fairly be said that Stravinsky was more prolific than Beethoven; for whatever that is worth.

BTW, did you know that Bird wanted to study with Stravinsky?

*****Rok, just curious, what do you base the "arrogant twerk" comment on? ******

From the youtube of him you sent earlier. Just came across that way to me. Nothing to do with music.

Well if he wrote more that LvB, he certainly did not have nearly the impact of Beethoven. But I will see soon enough. I have the Ballets and The Soldiers Tale on order.

I am not hating on the guy. It's just that I have NEVER read anything like that about Beethoven. But, I can't argue with both you and Learsfool. You guys should know. Could be that my reading list is inadequate.

The Media:
You will admit that the powers that be in the art world, went out of their way to support and praise all the Russians that escaped to the West. At least while the Reds were running Russia.

And part of that support was to 'ensure' that they were a success here. Sort of like the support 'West Berlin' got during the cold war. It was a welfare city, but boy did it look good! Esp in comparison to East Berlin.

Solzhenitsyn comes to mind. A person would think, reading his press, that he was the second coming of Hemingway! Same with most other 'defectors'.

We have no disagreement concerning Igor.

Cheers

*****BTW, did you know that Bird wanted to study with Stravinsky?******

Are you trying to destory all of my idols in one night? :)

Cheers

****Are you trying to destory all of my idols in one night? :)****

Now, THAT'S very funny. Not at all; even if it may seem like it. Just trying to push your process of discovery (Stravinsky) in a more open-minded direction. I am truly glad that, even after your previous rants about Stravinsky and "modern" composers in general, that you have decided to give Igor a shot. However, you seem to be going into it with a bias against him. Simply an observation on my part based on what you have written now and previously, and probably just as unreliable as comments about Stravinsky's personality. Me? I would rather wait until I meet him :-) before making such a judgment and let his music do the talking first. Most importantly, if one of my acknowledged idols says "Hey, check this out," I will look long and hard for what it is I am not seeing (hearing) at first. But, just for kicks and some good natured idol destruction:

http://stillchaos.wordpress.com/2010/11/12/the-necessity-of-arrogance

From Beethoven.ws :

"In Prince Lichnowski's house in Vienna, where he lived, he was said to be stubborn. He would deliberately arrive late at meal times and he paid little attention to the way he dressed. The young genius had always had a brusque, arrogant personality."

"God is closer to me than others of my art" - LV Beethoven

http://mikelynchcartoons.blogspot.com/2009/12/schulzs-beethoven-schroeders-muse.html

I don't know which of Stravinsky's works you ordered besides "L'Histoire", but keep something in mind when you listen to them. Stravinsky, probably more so than any other major composer, was known for composing in an amazing range of styles; in fact, he was criticized for that. So, before making a final verdict I would make sure you have heard a fairly wide range of his music.

This is great!

http://www.jerryjazzmusician.com/2004/01/great-encounters-1-when-charlie-parker-played-for-igor-stravinsky/