What you've written makes a lot of sense to me about why some amplifiers sound the way they do, but Putzey seems to be going in an opposite direction and his designs are said to be aurally excellent.
5% THD to .000 THD SOUND
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Atmasphere, I'd like your opinion on Bruno Putzey's latest class D amp design philosophy. I've read that he once held the same view as you do regarding negative feedback producing random upper order harmonics, but he's now broke with that orthodoxy. First, he claims that negative feedback needs to be evenly applied across the frequency spectrum and not disproportionately at lower frequencies. Second, Putzey claims that as you apply more and more negative feedback the odd harmonics disappear and distortion levels are low and smooth. I believe he is talking about 40 to 60 dB loop gain. Here's a link to Putzey's Kaluga amp's measurements. What you've written makes a lot of sense to me about why some amplifiers sound the way they do, but Putzey seems to be going in an opposite direction and his designs are said to be aurally excellent. |
Ralph, I’d say that your description of the sound of amplifiers correlates very well to my own listening experiences over the years. I’d also be interested in your reply to Onhwy61's inquiry. I’ve heard the Putney amplifiers twice (under show conditions) and was underwhelmed. It could be due to the show environment but there were other rooms at the show that had wonderful sound so who knows, Charles, |
Atmasphere, I’d like your opinion on Bruno Putzey’s latest class D amp design philosophy. I’ve read that he once held the same view as you do regarding negative feedback producing random upper order harmonics, but he’s now broke with that orthodoxy. First, he claims that negative feedback needs to be evenly applied across the frequency spectrum and not disproportionately at lower frequencies. Second, Putzey claims that as you apply more and more negative feedback the odd harmonics disappear and distortion levels are low and smooth. I believe he is talking about 40 to 60 dB loop gain.There is not a simple answer to this. First, to be clear, I don’t agree about the bit of ’random upper order harmonics’; they are a bit more predictable as you will see below. Also, I think you run into some classic issues with gain and phase margins if you do as Bruno proposes (see Norman Crowhurst; this book is an excellent primer, look on page 3-15 and read from there: http://www.tubebooks.org/Books/crowhurst_basic_3.pdf) I’ll go with Norman Crowhurst any day- math has a way of not going bad as it gets older. There is more to loop feedback though. One of the bigger problems that is rarely dealt with is the issue of Radio Frequency Interference (RFI). The speaker cable tends to act like an antenna, and since the feedback loop takes information from the output of the amp and feeds it back into the input for correction, RFI is also thus injected into the amplifier. This can cause havoc- RFI is not helpful in audio circuits! It might be why an amplifier might sound really bright in one situation and in another with the same speakers, might seem pretty good. RFI can be an unknown variable and susceptibility. Yet you rarely see feedback loops that deal with this problem. Bruno is correct that as you add more feedback you can eventually decrease the higher ordered harmonics. However, as Nelson Pass has pointed out in this excellent article on feedback: https://passlabs.com/articles/audio-distortion-and-feedback Quoting from that article, Nelson puts the problem in a nutshell:
As we know class D reacts the same way to feedback that any other amplifier does, being an analog process. Generally its been my conclusion that while Bruno is right in theory (except where he isn’t, see Norman Crowhurst), he’s wrong in practice. |
Atmashpere, thanks for taking the time to reply. I misrepresented Putzkey when I said the distortion spectrum resulting from negative feedback was random. I should have said higher order harmonics instead of random. Whether is right or wrong in theory or in practice is being tested in the marketplace. Theta, Bel Canto, MBL, Jeff Rowland and others are using Putzkey's amplifiers in their products and they are getting positive reviews and user feedback. I guess only time can really sort these things out. |
^^Well if he has a lot of gain (and a lot of feedback), has kept RFI out of the feedback loop and is paying attention to phase margins, it should work. At the onset of clipping, the clipping behavior will not be graceful- that can't be avoided. That is where zero feedback really shines. But if clipping is avoided and the feedback variables are paid proper attention, the result should be excellent. |
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