Genuine Kondo???


Been staring at these two listings and can't work out if they are genuine or not. They have stirred an interest in me at the price as heard and loved them at a dealership a year ago. Price looks good as well. 

Emailed the guy who says he is in Germany, sent me pics of a filled crate and I can visit but he doesn't have PayPal which makes me very suspicious. 
http://mobile.audiophile.org/for-sale/amplifiers/tube/advertisement/32872/audio-note-kondo-gaku-on/

This looks more promising but is rather expensive at €13500. 
http://www.audio-markt.de/_markt/item.php?id=5649365367&audioauktion=0d2a8a19c00039f02dfdfdd41ed...

Would welcome your reflections and thoughts on these listings. How would the more experienced of you approach these items?

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We used to sell Kondo and the KSL-DAC used to sell NEW for around $12,500 USD. Yes it had a retail of 30K but the mark-up was so high we could sell them at less than 50% off list. 
MANY scams for Magico ,Kondo etc coming out of Germany never buy overseas unless you like gambling with your money.

Regarding the first ad, a quick search using Google Images reveals that some of the same photos appearing in that ad also appeared in this undated ad placed by a seller in California.  

I have perceived over the years that scammers commonly use photos in their ads that have been copied from ads that were previously placed elsewhere, by others.  Which can often be ascertained via a Google Images search.

Personally, I would be more concerned about the possibility of getting nothing in return for your money than the possibility of getting a counterfeit.

I haven't looked into the second ad you listed.

Good luck.  Regards,
-- Al
 
P.S: Internet searches of the name and the address appearing in the ad I linked to in my post above, and on some more common variations of the name, suggest a strong possibility of that ad being fraudulent as well.  As does the indication of Audio Research under "Brand."

Regards,
-- Al

Al, 
The FBI could sure use your investigative acumen these days 😊
Charles