Ohm Walsh Micro Talls: who's actually heard 'em?


Hi,

I'd love to hear the impressions of people who've actually spent some time with these speakers to share their sense of their plusses and minuses. Mapman here on Audiogon is a big fan, and has shared lots on them, but I'm wondering who else might be familiar with them.
rebbi

Mapman,

I have the newer cabinet in my Ohms. From what I can tell the older cabinets seem to be far better constructed than the new ones. When I replaced a can that was damaged during shipping I posted some photos of the interior of the newer cabinets. Honestly it is pretty low quality including the use of a cardboard tube for the bottom port. I don't think many $3k sets of speakers would use similar "technology." :)

Like you I am not getting sound that seems to come from the cabinet, but the super tweeter can be a bit directional at times. Do remember that as I have said in the past my last speakers were Magnepan 3.6 speakers. I am used to have a huge line source ribbon playing upper frequencies. The fact that a dome tweeter is able to be listenable in my system is a huge compliment to Ohm.

Martykl,

I agree with your point. There is no right or wrong on this issue and I think that is the issue that I have with many of these magazines. There seems to be an emphasis that there is a certain sound that is "high fidelity" and other sounds are present only due to some sort of "low fidelity" inferior design.

Like all speakers designs there are a series of choices made that result in a net sound that is liked by some and not by others.

Full disclosure: I am a rather "visual" person having made my living as an advertising photographer for decades. For me, the visual design of a product plays a role in how much I enjoy that product.

One reason I decided to audition a pair OHM 2000 speakers was their relatively unobtrusive and appealing shape. When they arrived I was dismayed by the lack of craftsmanship that was evident in the construction of the enclosure, particularly the look and "feel" of the veneer. Strictly DIY, I thought. I was surprised at how amateurish the finish work was.

I might have kept them if I’d loved how they sounded in my home, but I did not "fall in love." Furthermore, my wife, who is generally disinterested in my audio pursuits, simply could not listen to them. We’ve had Magnepans, and now have a pair of MMGs, and she (and I) much prefer their sound, even if the MMGs are not the prettiest , nor certainly the best-sounding speakers on this or any other block. Yes, the OHMs have more bass.

Eventually, and with a nod to all things aesthetic (again, for me), I purchased a pair of Sonus Faber monitors, which are lovely to behold, and not at all "bad" to listen to. :) I get almost as much pleasure from looking at them as I do from listening to them. :) The way they portray detail is damn close to some electrostatics I’ve heard but without any sense of the "clinical."

This is simply one man’s take. I really do "get" what the OHM thing is. They’re just not for me. If one loves how they present music, I’m sure it would be relatively easy to overlook the mediocre level of assembly craftsmanship.

ps:  Out of curiousity, how long did you audition he Ohms?  What about the sound prevented you from "falling in love"?  TIA.


I do agree with about Sonus Faber, and I have enjoyed Sonus Faber speakers whenever I have heard them.  The (rather pricey) pair at the show last week was one of the stand outs.  I might have put the Venere 2.5 in contention had they been available in late 2009 when I began my speaker upgrade search.

Visual aesthetics and the appeal of that aside, there are a couple of kinds of effects cabinets can have on the sound that I can think of:

1) ported cabinet resonances usually at bass frequencies these are usually designed (as is the case with most but not all OHM Walsh) to extend flat response lower but if not done right can result in low frequency bumps in response that would normally be considered undesirable. From what I read, J. Strohbeen goes to great lengths to get this and the porting aspect of the cabinets right and I’ve never seen any data to the contrary. There is a relationship between cabinet design, port and resulting frequency response but in this case sound would not emanate from the cabinet itself. The biggest OHM 5015 models, that JS touts as the best OHMs ever in all regards, with powered subs built in are actually sealed because powered subs eliminate need for the port. I do not doubt his claims on those.

2) If cabinet construction is not up to snuff or defective, then I would think resonances would cause clear noise to be emanating from the cabs due to resonances. Vibrations might normally be felt when touching the cabinets even when things are working exactly as designed/planned. Some speakers are designed to have totally inert cabinets, others not. Not sure what OHMs design take on this is exactly, but I know the "sound" of the cabinet is taken into account to deliver the desired sound.

Regarding quality of port materials and other aspects of components that go into the final product, I know JS leans towards delivering a particular high quality sound for more affordable cost. He will clearly choose to use less expensive materials whenever possible if they can do the job well as intended.   he may even know of some advantage to using material like cardboard.  Cardboard is a relatively inert material sonically for example.  When it comes to sound inert is good usually.   So it may look cheap but do its job in fact quite well.

Other speaker makers, particularly those targeting the high end mainly (not OHM) may choose to only use certain materials that will be regarded consistent and appealing to the target market.

OHMs approach is clearly very "blue collar" . That’s one of the things I like about the company in particular. They target the best sound possible for the least cost.

it will always be different strokes for different folks as evidenced by the variety of solutions people choose to fulfill their music and related needs.

With my OHMs, I find room acoustics particularly potential bad interaction between OHM Walsh bottom port and floor to be the most problematic thing to address effectively somehow for true high end sound. In general I think the OHMs sound best when effectively isolated from floor interactions, as is the case with all speakers I own but bottom ported OHMs perhaps an even greater issue to address than with others.

I can find no clear faults in regards to the overall sound once the potential floor interactions are under control in my system. I hate to use the word but to my ears its dern near perfect with absolutely nothing offensive ever coming out except perhaps in the case of some of the very loudest and dynamically clipped newer digital mp3 recordings out there and those usually exhibit themselves in the higher frequencies that have really little or no cabinet dependencies with the OHM Walsh design, certainly less than most conventional box designs. That alone may be why perhaps JS is able to not have cabinets built like a tank like some other high performing box designs like Dynaudio and Sonus Faber typically must rely on.

I have never encountered it at all as an OHM Walsh owner since 1982 (quite an achievement only a good quality product could accomplish) but if I hear noises or sound coming from the can that are clearly not part of the music, I would suspect some issue inside the can that needs attention and perhaps send them in for a look. That would be the exception due to some issue though, not the norm, at least in my experience.

"ps: Out of curiousity, how long did you audition he Ohms? What about the sound prevented you from "falling in love"? TIA."

Hi bondmanp:

About 175 hours.  During break-in I would play them at about 75 -85 db and leave the house while I ran errands.

My wife is blessed with an extraordinary pair of ears- I'm envious.  She could not listen to the speakers,  even at low volumes.  She found them strident.  She did not pressure me to return them but was happy when I did.  I also realized that as much as I thought I'd like the soundstage that OHMs produce, I really did not, preferring more  precise imaging (some might say this is "musically artificial").  My Sonus Fabers give me that. 

Perhaps I'm being too critical with regard to fit and finish-  but I could not get past the appearance of the veneer on the OHMs. A career as an advertising photographer can do some funny things to a person.  :)

The rest of the speaker was solid.  

As I said, I'm pretty sure I "get" what Mr. Strohbeehn is doing, and I have enormous respect for his abilities as an engineer.  He was a complete gentleman when I told him that the 2000's simply were not for us and he approved the return.  I do not in any way intend to disparage his company nor his products.  If I have done so, I regret that

RE: Sonus Faber, I come from very blue, blue collar roots and my drug of choice is still beer, but in some things I have expensive taste.  I purchased both pairs of my SF monitors used.  Part of the enjoyment I derive from Sonus Faber is visual.