help buying irs beta


Hi ima newbie just trying to break into the real hifi world.i have the opportunity to get the irs beta for a steal.i need some advice on what problems to look for and also wondering if the sunfire 400wpc 7channel amp would be okay for these speakers using 4 of the channels 2 for the upper panel 2 for the woofer towers
leximarley4242
Be sure to check the Emim’s diaphragms for ripples and burnt or broken traces (the traces are the aluminium strips running down the ribbon); excessive ripples and any damage to the traces is a sign of wear or abuse. Similarly, check the Emit ribbons for the same issues. The Emims of that era were the most prone to going out of spec & the magnets can start to become delaminated and oxidated, however the good news is Graeme "Graz" Keet from Apogee Acoustics can refurb the Emims and Emits with new magnets and diaphragms if you later wanted to go down that road. However the L-Emims are pretty much unobtanium & cannot be refurbed, hence check them over carefully.

Next, make sure all 8 Watkins Woofers have been re-foamed and checked for correct spec in the last 5 years, preferably by Watkins Stereo (http://www.watkinsstereo.com/refoaming.html) who do a much more thorough refurb being the manufacturer. They also provide a 5yr warranty. The foam on the original woofers over 18+ years could start to rot & eventually crumble.

Make sure the speakers come complete with the original Infinity grills (there are 4) & that the grill cloth is in good shape, servo control units + servo cables & owners manual. Also check the speaker binding posts & connections on the scu for any signs of oxidization.

One-owner pairs are rare, but i’d try to find a pair which hasn’t changed hands too many times. The more changes of ownership...the more chance of damage & ’frankin’ speakers. I’d also recommend buying Betas from sellers in Texas (have had a bad experience).

The cabinets will show signs of wear/tear for their age, but try to find a pair without obvious sun damage/bleaching and deep chips in the wood.

Finally an audition is recommended where possible. What you should listen for is firstly to make sure all the drivers are working and are in phase (ie: sound coherent). Another thing to listen for is ’panel buzz’ in the mid/high panels. Distortion or ’buzz’ in the mid/high panels could indicate an issue with the panels, driver connections, or the drivers themselves. If you do all those checks, you should be rewarded with great sound!

Regarding amps, Arnie Nudell liked the ARC Ref 300 mono’s & an ARC preamp with the Betas. Another popular combo is the big Threshold S/500Mk2 with optical bias paired with an ARC preamp such as a refurbed SP11 Mk2 or later LS26. SS Class A muscle to drive the bass panels & some tubes up top. Arnie’s now drives his IRS-V’s with a pair of PS Audio BHK300 mono’s & the BHK preamp.

If you plan to keep the speakers for the long haul, the 3 things I would consider getting done (if not already done by the previous owner(s)) are;
- Graz refurbed Emim & Emits
- Re-foam/refurb the Watkins woofers by Watkins Stereo
- Refurb the crossovers and scu, and replace the internal wiring & speaker binding posts with Cardas.
That said, the above upgrade path would not be exactly cheap, but much cheaper than a pair of high end speakers. Good luck!
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melbguy1
... make sure all 8 Watkins Woofers have been re-foamed ...

The IRS Beta does not use Watkins woofers, although I do know that he'll work on them. Watkins woofers have dual voicecoils, and were used in the RS 2.5 and 4.5 models - and probably some others - but not the IRS Beta or RS1 models.
Thank you all so much for the advice.I have read a handful of articles about these and do understand how challenging they can be. what I'm trying to do is get started on my dream system.and I think the time to do it is when you can. so with the help of people like you guys I think I'm going to get started. BTW I do have the basic knowledge of equipment I've just never had the means to break into the next levels of hifi ,so I've never had the need to learn about it thanks again and I hope to learn a lot from people like you over the next few years 
cleeds422 posts11-12-2016 7:12am melbguy1
... make sure all 8 Watkins Woofers have been re-foamed ...

The IRS Beta does not use Watkins woofers, although I do know that he’ll work on them. Watkins woofers have dual voicecoils, and were used in the RS 2.5 and 4.5 models - and probably some others - but not the IRS Beta or RS1 models
My bad, though I would trust Watkins to do a great job refurbing the drivers, as I would Bill Legall at Millersound.