why use towers if you've got a sub??

Baranowski, sorry-you just kind of hit my funny bone when you steered the discussion back to the intended subject and you couldn't hear me chuckling when I replied. Maybe you could help out with the "Fuses that matter" thread. (Chuckling again-hopefully you are, too.)

Thanks for all the thoughts so far. While i recognize that i am posting on the HT forum, i am interested in both two channel and theater equally. I've got a single large room (about 4000 cu ft) and need to do one system. I am leaning towards a hybrid approach:

1. Decent tube preamp with HT pass thru
2. Decent monoblocks or stereo amp for main left and right front
3. Basic avr to process and power center and 4 surrounds. Maybe get a better amp for center channel later
4. Mid to hi end main speakers, cheaper surrounds, full range
5. Basic sub, maybe a hsu only for HT

The other approach i was thinking of was two seperate systems. Something super efficient and dynamic for the HT and a big sub, plus something tubey and smooth for the two channel with totally seperate speakers, cables, sources, etc. i have read here that alot of people have seperate HT and stereo rigs, but is that in the same room? I can't get my head around having all those boxes and cables, etc everywhere.

Thoughts?

Photon46, well put.

As a working musician, in all the substantial post production studios I've experienced they've all had ELF subwoofers present along with some sophisticated equalization. Typically, from the same manufacture to match their main speaker systems such as Genelec, Tannoy, Meyer Labs, and Avalon Acoustics, to name a few. In February I was at a private studio in Nashville using JBL Everest mains with two updated Velodyne 1812's. I have never seen a REL sub in any professional system.

Whenever I ask the question, why not simply use large truly full range speaker systems? The answer I get has to do with control of the ELF and its relationship within the room.

But to the original posters reference to the typical 80Hz home theater crossover point. The need in your question could easily be considered subjective and most tower speakers are not actually full range unless they contain powered subs within such as Vandersteen's.

I use my HT setup as my 2-channel setup, so I can only comment from that perspective. My end goals are the same as yours.

I'm personally very happy and satisfied. I use an Anthem with ARC for both 2 channel and HT setup. My only comments on your thoughts are:

1) Don't skimp on the sub. Listen and get the best sub you can afford. It makes a huge difference. This is especially the case if your speakers only go down to 40-30hz. I'm very, very happy with the way my sub interplays with both music and movies. My Anthem allows me to have custom settings for music with the sub crossover, etc. and also totally different settings for movies. Thus, I get the best of both worlds.

2) I can respect your thoughts for a separate preamp just for 2-channel. If you have the cash, go for it. That's all a matter of personal preference. Don't know where you stand on room correction, but I've become a huge proponent since i've seen what it has done in my room. I spent quite a bit of time positioning and testing my speakers. Room correction took it to another great level as the room was playing an effect as all rooms do.

3) I would not skimp on the "basic" AVR (again, don't now what you're calling a basic AVR). If you're serious about your HT experience you'll regret going with a basic one

4) Unless you have an unlimited budget, I'd do one setup and spend the $$$ to find a set of speakers that will do your 2-channel and HT. There are many models and companies that do this and do it very well if not spectacularly well. NOLA, Revel, Focal, ADAM, B&W are but a few that I would strongly suggest you listen to. In fact, the NOLA speakers are some of the most musical and dynamic speakers out there that do an absolutely stunning job with 2-channel and also with home theater. The ribbon tweeter, and open baffle is to die for. The dynamics and also depth of stage you get is wonderful. If you can listen to the NOLA Baby Grands, your jaw will drop. Ditto with the Revels and the Focal Utopia series. You have plenty of options out there.

5) If cost is no object, then look at Audio Research products that will satisfy your tube itch and also be able to do HT and 2 channel with equal authority and grace.

6) i agree with your ideas about the quality progression from fronts to surrounds; however, try to stay in the same brand or speaker family. Otherwise you will notice a difference. I don't care what anyone else says, if you have a high-end setup, you will notice the timbre difference with different speakers from different manufacturers.

Finally, have fun.

REL subwoofers were/are not designed for studio use. They are MUSICAL subs and mainly used for 2-ch music systems and as such are simply some of the BEST subwoofers for that application.

For the money, JL Audio makes very good subs for HT. If I cared as much for HT and had an extra few grand laying around, I would get one.

The idea of 4 sobwoofers in a room (a normal person's home theater setup) is a joke.