Mr. Kait,
One last time, so I'll make it short and then I walk away…but really did you ever consider looking in a mirror before you insult everyone including people with credentials that far exceed anything you have ever accomplished in life? You have zero respect for anyone and you do know that music represents everything your are not?
Kait picks on another poster’s opinion: In case you hadn’t noticed this thread is actually about the technical end of things, not the sound. Nothing wrong with arguing about sound but it’s subjective.
That sums it all up right there… a technical writer who manufactures products for the sound industry based on theorems and specifications and does not reference or listen to amplifiers and loudspeakers. Musical quality is subjective and likewise so is every theorem surrounding vibration management in audio including “isolation and springs”.
To the best of our knowledge, there is no third party independent testing recorded anywhere comparing any one theory or products to another involving vibration management in audio. Therefore the “technical end of things” is also considered “highly subjective”.
Spring Dude, I would much rather work with listeners, audiophiles and music lovers solving issues and improving their sound systems instead of debating all matters subjective in audio with such a negative individual like yourself.
Whereas you guys and your benefactor wish to allow vibrations to roam free - unrestrained, undamped and unisolated - I say the only good vibration is a dead vibration!
Mr. Kait, vibration particularly in a musical environment does ‘roam free’ however we prefer to “mechanically ground” resonance caused from vibration as a method of vibration management. I fail to understand your statement since “ground” is the final resting place for vibrational energy.
Killer - isn’t it?
The video you provided shows how someone can perform the water in the glass experiment incorrectly, although I have to confess I didn’t think that was actually possible. The lemon, ice and stirrer damp the vibrations that might otherwise appear and the glass should be filled to the brim since the ripples appear in the surface of the water. It’s not rocket science. At least you tried. Lol
Kait Dude, this experiment was done in early 2015. The fluid thing was a byproduct of what the actual goal and achievement in sound reproduction featured.
http://starsoundaudio.com/reviewsDetail.php?37
I saw glasses of wine filled to near capacity too but guessing our crew did not include them in the video shot so tell you what… why not send us a glass of your choice, thinking a tall, lean solid support similar to a wine glass highly susceptive to vibration would do. We will fill it to the brim with a liquid of your choice. Since we were unaware of the damping factor of ice (square cubes could have different variables than round) and toothpicks (did not take those damping factors into consideration either) and the limes as well, we will repeat this test without any of the variables - just liquid.
Law Sound is on board and very much interested in hearing what a Sistrum Platform does for the mixer and effects. All we need now is a great band and venue so I’m working on it. Send us the glass and provide us the test parameters because we would not want to forget anything.
Better yet, how about you personally attending? Come on Kait, step away from your keyboard and participate in a live sound experiment. Think about it, if we fail, you can actually embarrass Star Sound on AudioGon and if not, we won’t say a thing - either way, you win!
Furthermore, many devices marketed as isolation devices are actually either coupling devices or resonators. Thus the statement that all isolation devices sound different can actually be viewed as an excellent example of a strawman argument.
Oh my, now this is scary - we actually agree with you! The Audio Industry has incorrectly labeled vibration management with the title of ‘isolation’ as that word automatically leads readers and listeners down a single ended pathway of thinking and understanding.
Isolation defined – separate from other related factors or things.
This industry labels every equipment rack being sold an Isolation Rack whereas wood furniture racking is clearly not an isolation product. There are quite a few furniture companies who use cones and believe their designs isolate. The same is true with cones made of metals or any material for that matter, they are always called Isolation Cones where their functions do not isolate as you are aware.
Isolation is but one of many processes in dealing with Vibration Management. Absorption, damping, resonance energy transfer, dissipation, phase cancellation or diffusion are other processes used where those formulas do not function the same as an isolation design.
In our opinion the word “isolation” is well overplayed and continues to absolutely confuse the Industry.
Finally. Most audiophiles continually change their systems so it's a moving train and no one should expect his sound to remain constant for very long. Thus attempts to compare isolation devices or ANY class of audio device or cable might be fruitless.
Do Not agree with this statement - 380,000 Audio Points™ sold yet where are they? Rarely are any available here on AudioGon… over 5,000 Original Sistrum Platforms™ sold and likewise not too many up for grabs either. I believe comparisons are always being made and listeners hear the differences - every time - and keep what they like. (Shill shill shill :)
I personally find your diatribes repetitive, uneducated, and self serving to the extreme. They simply attack your competitors and pump up your own products. Maybe it’s time to call this thread DONE and stick a fork in it.
Speaking of which, every historic event or achievement in your lifetime and every product you have ever retailed is in print and shilled somewhere on this thread too! But I have to ask; what were you doing from 2002 till now? Surely you have made advancements somewhere along the line? Did you ever improve on your original spring design? Just wondering…if Townshend really did copy your product.
Mirror mirror on the wall...
"OMG", I am sounding more like you everyday. Murphy called last night and told me to Vacate the Kait and get back to business. No need to prove anything. Father time will run its course and when the Patents are approved, I might return just so you can take a shot at crapping all over those too - just for kicks.
In closing, Mr Kait, How can a lowly sound engineer who lived his lifetime involved in music, uneducated and self serving businessman (now that one is a real laugher if you think about it) compete with a retiree from NASA who spends what little time is left on the planet dedicated to a life of ridiculing and belittling people here on Audiogon?
You win the debate!!!, simply on attrition.
The only positive thing from participating here is that everyone of your victims soon realizes that there is more to music than reading the many highly repetitive insults and innuendos directed at them on your behalf and finally moves on. Ever wonder why you are a leader in postings as well as disqualifications from participation? Too bad you cannot bring yourself to actually help others instead of what you do best. What a waste of engineering prowess and time.
Come on Kait, live a little, put down that keyboard, step outside your home and comfort zone. Agree to meet up with us on the road for a fluid test or corporate event. Meet the people behind our technology and learn something new if you have the cahoonas, or sit at home every night and continue on with your retirement.
Either way, the invitation is always open and you will be treated as a professional and welcomed, just call.
Now Exit - stage right, Seeeya!
Robert
