Class D Technology

Atmasphere why does 200khz bandwidth matter if there are no sources practically (record or CD res digital) that can even come close to delivering it today?

Seems like a purely theoretical argument.

I agree and have stated on many occasions that higher bandwidth alone is better theoretically all other things aside and Class D can still get much better there.   It certainly cannot hurt  assuming it is done well/right like most things.

But practically I am less sure. I expected my Class D amps to not sound nearly as good as they do given the theory. I’m glad I did not let that stop me from trying because it seems to be a non issue already practically, at least for me.

Thanks.

Well said, atmasphere. One of things that stands out, at least to me, about the H2O Class D amp is that it uses an extremely robust power supply comparable to the great SS/Tube amps.

http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/h2o2/1.html

http://iceh2oaudio.com/

What prominence does the heft of the power supply play in the sonic performance of Class D amps relative to SS or tube amps?

Best to you atmasphere,
Dave

Power supply is no less important with class D than with other amps.   A lot of vendors focus on optimizing it and it is a common theme among better reviewed and received designs. 

Atmasphere why does 200khz bandwidth matter if there are no sources practically (record or CD res digital) that can even come close to delivering it today?

I did explain this in my post but here it is again:

In order to reproduce phase correctly bandwidth is a requirement. Put another way, if the bandwidth is not there phase shift is the result. You are correct that digital doesn't have bandwidth and that is one of the reasons that the LP sounds better and is still around after all these years of being 'obsolete'. Nevertheless, to prevent phase shift in the amp you need bandwidth even it its not there in the recording. In fact the recording doesn't matter.

To put this another way: phase shift components can be heard to 1/10th of the cutoff frequency. So if you are cutting off at 20KHz there will be phase shift to 2 Khz. 100KHz cutoff means that phase shift will exist down to 10KHz. We older adults don't hear so well at 10KHz so you can sort of get by with 100KHz bandwidth but if you really want to do it right you better have 200KHz so your kids will like the stereo (unless you're the type that just wants them off your lawn...).

What prominence does the heft of the power supply play in the sonic performance of Class D amps relative to SS or tube amps?

The supply should be clean else IMD components related to the noise in the supply and the scan frequency will show up in the output. IMD is pretty audible to the human ear (shows up as brightness and grit or 'grundge'). Since the scan frequency is pretty high the power supply had better be properly bypassed to be effective at the scan frequency! But it can't have any sawtooth going on either. Otherwise the supply has to be able to support the operation of the amp at full power, even though most of the time the supply will see a fraction of the current draw that a traditional amplifier supply would see, so most of the time the power draw from the wall is minimal.

Traditional power supply design or SMPS is irrelevant so long as the supply is quiet (SMPSs have the advantage of being easier to regulate...).

Assuming nothing is there to start with isn't a phase shift of 0 = 0?

I did not know vinyl has frequency bandwidth so high.    Most home hifi always talked of 20-20K frequency response.     Is this in practice or theoretical?   I'd agree theoretically vinyl could do more but practically its news to me.   The best digital (higher res) sounds as good as most vinyl to me these days.    RTR is better but look where that got us practically.