Why pay so much for super high end?

" Mb1 you can adjust or not to personal preference but I was talking about flat response to 20 hz.  If response is flat level will be heard as lower.   A boost is needed to make it sound flat.   Check out the audio frequency spectrum chart that shows sensitivity of the ear at various frequencies.    System may measure flat but in that case what our ears hear is not. "

That's what I thought you meant, and I believe you're right. I could be mistaken, but I think bo is saying something similar regarding his comments on bass. If some type of correction isn't done in the low frequencies, I can see where this could be an issue at low volumes. Powered subs set up properly can go a long way in this regard. I wouldn't consider myself an expert in this area, but from what I can see, subs are best used with full range speakers. 

MB, the only place I have heard multichannel done right is in my system. That's not bragging, because it's quite easy to do, and I'll tell you how.

Begin with a good two channel system, like ESL's. Double the Left and Right speakers, mounting them at an angle dictated by your room. Right angles are a good place to start. Right away one hears something like an MBL with clean, fast bass.

Now add two more ESL's in the back, for surround. Best is to blend the Right and Left signals, but that's not absolutely necessary. What is necessary is a volume control. Set the volume control to the highest level which cannot be discerned in the listening position. That provides the concert hall ambiance without the source confusion.

@bigkidz 

I absolutely agree with you about components. Every cap has a sonic signature, and so does every resistor. Active devices more so. Building the best is an expensive proposition, and few people have ever heard an amp, say, with all VAR resistors and polystyrene caps for power supply auxiliaries. But when you hear it, you don't want to go back.

Well put, guys...all y'all....

To be fair (and believe me, I do try...in my way), if you can afford The Quest, your predilections and tastes, carry on.  'State of the Art' is up to those who can appreciate it and afford it.  Bluntly, I can't the latter.  The bulk of my time, energy, and what it generates goes into the business that my spouse and I own.  I tinker in what spare time I can steal with what interests and amuses me on what perhaps might be viewed as Quixotic, making what one acquaintance called 'steampunk speakers'....which I thought was rather apt.  Considering that they sprung from 'cast-offs', this 'n that, a small investment of capital, and a larger investment of time, study, and thought....

Like a parent with a child with 'difficulties', I'm still rather proud of them.  Even with their known and obvious flaws and shortcomings, They Work.  With some selections and a tad of eq, I'd bet I could make some of you pause, if only for the moment.  Working on improving them beats hanging out in a bar,  watching sports that don't appeal, or attending 'functions' with people I have nothing in common with.  I 'hang out' Here because we Do have something in common in a general way, the love of music of various sorts, and the reproduction of it in a fashion that agrees with our tastes.

mb1audio, if you don't like surround, OK.  If class A is your thing and D stands for Dull, Dumb, or a Disaster, cool.  If that cart in your TT costs more than my entire system, well...that's your call and your cash and go forth.  IMHO 'extremism' in audio beats the 'ell out of a lot of other 'tastes' that seem to be prevalent of late.  Y'all can fill in that blank with what may bother you personally...

Do what you want to do.  I do.  I realize that one's posts arise from their opinions and observations, their tastes and preferences, and their situations.  Some may consider me some odd version of a troll, and that's fine.  I don't come around to pester or make fur fly for the frivolity of it.  I lurk mostly, getting some 'education', and noting that price still doesn't guarantee  'perfection', pretty baubles can still be ultimately be polished rocks, and hopes still get dashed...although that realization can sometimes take awhile to dawn.

Please do carry on. *S*  I'll just step back into the shadows again....and watch the show.... ;)

" Begin with a good two channel system, like ESL's. Double the Left and Right speakers, mounting them at an angle dictated by your room. Right angles are a good place to start. Right away one hears something like an MBL with clean, fast bass.

Now add two more ESL's in the back, for surround. Best is to blend the Right and Left signals, but that's not absolutely necessary. What is necessary is a volume control. Set the volume control to the highest level which cannot be discerned in the listening position. That provides the concert hall ambiance without the source confusion."

As it stands, I'm pretty happy with my current system. I've had several pairs of ESL's so I'm familiar with how they sound. The issue I have with surround, is that I don't think its necessary.

This is how I see it. If you play a recording of an instrument on a 2 channel system (piano, sax, whatever), your system puts the image between the speakers. Now, lets say you have someone play the same instrument live in your listening room. They would be placed in the same spot where your stereo put the image. We all know the room will have an impact on SQ. Whatever effect the room has on the live instrument, it should have on the reproduced instrument. If you now through surround into the mix, you're forcing a different type of interaction than what you had with the live instrument. Unless I'm missing something, it would appear that surround takes you further away from the recording, than closer to it.