Multi-Format players of yesteryear, vs. Now



Hello good people

I have a Pioneer DV AX10 player. It is a fairly rare bird that was above Pioneer's Elite players. At the time (Ten years ago now) it was a universal player that did all formats (SACD, DVD Audio, HDCD) but is pre Blu Ray. When I bought it new, retail was 6K and I paid just under 5K.

It's built like a tank, 55lbs!, double airlock transport, shielded with 1/4" thick copper all around it, balanced outs, multi-channel surround outs. You can turn video off, digital off, etc. etc. It was touted as a true high-end machine, gunning for Sony's top-of-the-line SACD player, but adding DVD audio and a great DVD section as well. Until Blu Ray came along, I had never seen a better picture.

Now I'm finding that I'm really interested in getting back to good, engaging, two-channel sound.

I know that this is the HT spot, but I couldn't find a more appropriate forum, plus the machines that I'm looking at do HT as well so, my question:

While I've always liked the DV AX10 for music, will something like the Oppo 95 from today sound better than a super-premium unit like this, from ten years ago?

Electronics do age, and the DACS from today (Burr Browns in the AX10) should be better, yes?

Before I drop another grand or three (with mods) I want to have an educated idea about whether I'll really be stepping up.

The rest of the 2ch system is an ARC LS-16mkII, an ARC HD-220, and NHT 2.9's. Yes, I know, I might want to do something about the speakers one of these days.

Thanks guys. James
ultimatezap
i know your ax1-as you observe it's a helluva well built piece and, to my recollection sounded great--the cd direct feature was a real bonus. i'd be really reluctant to replace it--at worst i'd keep it as a transport and experiment with dacs. like richard, i wouldn't assume that a more technologically advanced player like an oppo will sound better to you--e.g. i've got a 1989 denon 3520 20- bit cdp (another overbuilt monster) which, delusionally or otherwise, i still believe outperforms my pricey modern players.
I had the Pioneer along with a Classe CA400 amp and Plinius M16 Preamp, Dali Grand speakers, It put me right in small venues with the right recording, wish I would not have broke it up.
James,

There is something to be said about quality gear and the sum being greater than the parts. It sounds like you love the Pioneer. The best advice in my opinion is to order the Oppo direct from OppoDigital (I think there is a 30 day money back) and try it head to head. Unless someone has had both units, anything we would say in a forum is pure speculation. If oppo won't do a money back then call music direct in Chicago. They carry the premium version of the Oppo with the higher end analog outs. I'm a big proponent of trying out gear in your own equipment chain.

Have fun and I think we'd be curious to hear your impressions. As a side note, if you are interested in adopting bluray that's one thing but if you are looking for transports in general and looking for pure audio quality then you may want to check out the Ayre and Simaudio units.

All the best
Theo
Keep the Pioneer! I have always been a fan of the Burr-Brown DACS. The high-end "Elites" or better were purpose built during the Hey-Dey of CD/SACD DVD-A technology. I would not be surprised that in a blind set-up you would not beat 50% vs a compatible $2000 player. Just my opinion.

Yes I have owned four Pioneer "Elite" Players, three receivers and one RPTV.
Well, hey, thank you everyone for the responses. I think you're right, I have to get an Oppo and do an A-B. I was sort of expecting the general consensus to be that advances have been such that a new higher-end machine would of course trounce anything 10 years old. But here we are, able to spend 50K or more on a device to turn a vinyl pressing into sound. I'll figure something out and chime back in to let you know what I discover. Thanks for the resources for the new machine.