Something just isn't there


I'm hoping some of you with experience can help me evaluate my system. It is, of course, hard to put words on sonic character but sometimes it just isn't there. My system is quite detailed and can have a very nice soundstage but rarely does it grab me. 

The system:Magnum Dynalab MD209 hybrid tube/SS amp,
Manley Chinook tube phono preamp,
Oracle Alexandria factory refurbished,
Oracle Prelude tonearm
Ortophon MC 20 super cart
Joseph Audio RM22si speakers
Audioquest Caldera speaker wire. 

As I have been upgrading the system, I'm left thinking that either speakers or room treatment need attention next.
My room is approximately 12x25with hardwood floor, hard surfaces including art and wooden furniture, two big sofas, and several doorways and windows.   My wife won't take kindly to funky acoustic treatments.Of course the speakers and cartridge are just plain old.  I find auditioning speakers daunting and worry that the showroom experience will not be representative of my home and my electronics. 
Any thoughts would be appreciated. 
Kevin


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lobsterrotter ...

First and foremost, consider your room to be THE major component in your system. 

You can solve the "wife problem" by investing in Synergistic Research HFT's. These little guys are NOT subtle at all. Highly recommended. 

http://highend-electronics.com/products/sr-hft-high-frequency-transformer

Start with a ten-pack of the HFT's and go from there. 

Buy some of Herbie's tube dampners for your tubes. Again, highly recommended. They will give you more of a NATURAL sense of detail because they remove the glare and smear caused by micro vibrations coming from your tubes. 

http://herbiesaudiolab.net/tube.htm

Also, instead of concentrating on "detail," concentrate on tonal balance. I've heard super transparent systems that after 20 minutes of listening, I'm looking for the exit door. The emotional impact comes from recreating live instruments in the room ... or at least as close as you can get. And live listening isn't about "detail." I have never attended a live concert and thought to myself ... man, those guys sound "detailed." 

Inna is correct in the assessment of stock power cords. Synergistic Research has some reasonably priced after market PC's available. There's a thread detailing them here on A'gon. Go with the more expensive SR Black cords over the Reds. 

http://highend-electronics.com/products/synergistic-research-red-black-uef-power-cords

Get rid of your stock fuses and replace them with Synergistic Research Black fuses. These are little wonders. 

http://highend-electronics.com/products/synergistic-research-black-quantum-fuses

And finally, mapman is correct in his assessment of floors. You can go a long way in solving the floor problem with an inexpensive set of Mapleshade unfinished platforms under your speakers or stands. Just spike the platforms to the floor though the carpet, then spike the speakers to the platforms.

http://shop.mapleshadestore.com/18-x-15-x-2-Ready-To-Be-Finished-Maple-Platform/productinfo/18X15X2-...

None of these "tweaks" are subtle; they are major improvements. Check out my system in the virtual system area. My listening room was a major roadblock to good sound. Without changing speakers or electronics, I've managed, through the above tweaks and others, to transform the system into one of the most tonally correct systems I've ever heard. My audiophile friends who've heard the system all agree. Its emotionally engaging and puts the performers right there in the room. All of the usual things we look for are there ... sound stage, depth, height, natural detail, tonal balance ... all there to enjoy. All wife friendly too. :-)

Hope this helps ...

Frank


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Yes one thing that is often "not there" is actually physically feeling the music as well as hearing it.     
I might suggest a couple of things to try.....

First is to move the speakers around.  Look for a change is sweet spot in the room.  Change your listening position. 

And I noticed a sudden lifelessness in my own system the other evening.  I noticed that I had accidentally hit the Invert button on the remote for my Herron VTSP-3A preamp and inverted the absolute phase across the entire system.  I hit the Invert button and changed back to normal absolute phase and the system woke up again. 

So maybe try inverting the leads on both speakers to see if that doesn't make a difference. 

Don't ask me, I used to never believe in absolute phase, but it made a difference on this occasion for me in my system.   

This is a great thread.

It has really helped me listen to and think about the sound.  Interesting about the visceral physical part of the experience.  I suppose this has to do with focused energy, even at low volume levels.  I could imagine when dissipated or conflicted the energy pattern will be heard and felt as weaker.  I feel like this part is missing for me.

Ok, I looked at the SR HFT. Small metal pieces with a concave conical shape.   I gotta admit that seems a stretch, but of course I haven't experienced them myself. 

Over the holidays, Ill be playing with a lot of the ideas above:  speaker placement, taming the room, tube dampers, fuse replacement, new isolating feet for the phono preamp.  I may even begin to look at the daunting issue of ICs and power cords.