Grounding Metal Outlet Boxes and Isolated Ground Receptacles
I sent some photos of the setup to a friend of mine (who just happens to be an electrical engineer) and he raised an the issue that since my Furutech Receptacles are metal and they will be screwed into the metal box with metal screws, then we have effectively now tied the two separate grounds together! Help! Is that a bad idea? Is having the box and receptacle setup in this way going to cause issues once my gear is in place; ground loop hums, etc?
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EDIT: * For 120V audio equipment that is connected together by wire interconnects all audio equipment should be fed from the same Line, leg, in the electrical panel. ALL from L1 or all from L2. NOT from both. This may not be practical, electrically a good practice, in all cases. Especially where big 120V fed mono amps are used in an audio system. A good example might be a pair of Krell 600 mono amps. Putting both power hungry mono amps on the same Hot Line, leg, to neutral without trying to balance the load across the two Lines, legs, in the main electrical service panel could stress the electrical service panel bus and main breaker as well placing a large unbalanced load on the service neutral conductor and the power company’s utility power transformer. It would be less of an issue if the electrical service is 200 amp or even less an issue if 400 amp. If the electrical service is 100 amp then the unbalanced 120V load could/would be a problem. If the house is old and the service might still be a 60 amp that would definitely put a strain on the electrical service. Technically when fairly large 120V loads are know they should be balanced across the two Lines, legs, in the electrical panel. Only the imbalanced 120V load returns on the service neutral conductor to the utility power transformer. Example: IF all the 120V loads on L1, leg, equal 40 amps, and all the 120V loads on L2, leg, equal 40 amps then zero amps will return on the service neutral to the source. In this case the power company’s utility power transformer. In the case of a sub panel the same thing holds true. Only the imbalanced load returns on the feeder neutral to the main service electrical service neutral conductor. The balanced 120V loads on L1 and L2 are in series with one another. . |
Always follow code first. The use of plastic boxes are not legal in many areas. Nor is armored cable and romex Given what you posted I’m assuming 1900 4 by 4 deep boxes were used and emt is the conduit. Running a separate ground is pointless. The screws and or outlet mount fins is what grounds it. The reason there is a seperate ground screw on the outlet is because there has to be. Grounding screw on all outlets. It’s there for when metal is not used as the transmission. I.e... using a plastic box #6 is overkill. Amplifiers draw between 2 and 4 amps max depending on what your running I would have ran two dedicated 20 amp on min #10 wire on a shared neutral. the outlets you bought are good but so is just about any hospital grade. I’d be surprised if a furutech accepts #6 wire. verify the panel is grounded correct. Tap after your main water shut off and jump to before the shut off valve cheers |
bimmer528 6 posts 12-18-2016 10:34pm // Always follow code first. The use of plastic boxes are not legal in many areas. Nor is armored cable and romexActually, I would be willing to bet they are approved for use in most single and multi family residential dwelling units in the US. Yes, there are a few exceptions. AHJ (Authority Having Jurisdiction) has the final say. NEC Code adoption by State. http://jadelearning.com/jadecc/nec_code_adoption.php // Given what you posted I’m assuming 1900 4 by 4 deep boxes were used and emt is the conduit. Running a separate ground is pointless. The screws and or outlet mount fins is what grounds it. The reason there is a seperate ground screw on the outlet is because there has to be. Grounding screw on all outlets. It’s there for when metal is not used as the transmission. I.e... using a plastic boxYou? I guess you are addressing me. Yes, a 1900 box is a 4" X 4" square box. As for running a separate equipment grounding conductor in an EMT conduit technically per NEC code it is not required. The metal conduit is an accepted approved equipment grounding conductor, with some exceptions. 2014 NEC 250.118 Types of Equipment Grounding Conductors. Of course the AHJ has the final say. They may require a conduit/box ground wire. The screws and or outlet mount fins is what grounds it. The reason there is a seperate ground screw on the outlet is because there has to be. Grounding screw on all outlets. It’s there for when metal is not used as the transmission. I.e... using a plastic box How about where the branch circuit wiring is NM and the outlet box is metal? How about if the Yoke, supporting back strap, does not come into solid contact with the box, and or raised device cover, for a flush installation and the receptacle used is not an approved auto ground type? How about if a surface mount 4" X 4" square box is used and the receptacle is mounted to the back of a steel raised receptacle cover. Lots of how abouts. The ground terminal is there because NEMA, NEC, UL, ect, says it shall be there. // depending on what your running I would have ran two dedicated 20 amp on min #10 wire on a shared neutral.That meets bare minimum NEC Code. Sucks for audio equipment though. Especially for audio equipment that is connected together by wire interconnects. For the layman reading this post multi wire branch circuits, (in this instance 2 separate hot conductors, breakers fed from L1 and L2, and 1 shared neutral conductor. Per NEC the 2 separate circuits shall be fed from a 2 pole breaker.) Note: Two 120V separate circuits..... NOT two 120V dedicated circuits... How a shared neutral works. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVamt9IdQd8 // bimmer528, Who installs multi wire branch circuits today? NEC code is bare minimum. National Electrical Code 90.1 Purpose: -http://www.spgs-ground.com/information/-purpose-of-the-national-electrical-code // the outlets you bought are good but so is just about any hospital grade. I’d be surprised if a furutech accepts #6 wire.I suggest you go back and reread the OP’s posts.... // verify the panel is grounded correct. Tap after your main water shut off and jump to before the shut off valve I believe the OP has a sub panel that is feeding his audio equipment's dedicated branch circuits. Best regards, Jim . |
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