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You were right about adding a sub.

I've had subs around the house, but used them mostly for home theater.

From time to time, some of you have encouraged me to use a sub in my 2 channel setup. Curiosity got the best of me over the Holidays and I hooked up a sub using speaker level connections and used the sub's crossover.

My speakers are Usher 6311 and my Integrated is an Anthem 225.

What a difference it made to not only the bass line, but cutting the lows increased the soundstage, improved detail, etc. I feel like I have new speakers, And the bug to try other speakers is gone.

Thanks for the tip- wish I would have tried it before now! For those of you that are tempted, it may be worth a try, it certainly was is my case. I'm using a Svs Sound Cylinder, fwiw. 

Regards,
gary

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uncledemp:

I hope I can ad something here.

What are your room dimensions? Is your room treated?

I own Usher speakers. I still have a pair of BE-718s...I replaced them with Tiny Dancer Mini One Diamonds.

My room is rather small, but pretty well treated, and everything positioned  (through hours & hours ) of listening. I use two Martin Logan Depth i.

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uncledemp:

Something to consider after everything else??

(I have a pair of Martin Logan Grotto's I bought new, just sitting around, never going to be used. I have a pair of like new Auralex Subdudes that go with it. Maybe more things you may like??) These subs are adorned with most necessary adjustments needed.

Cheers
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uncledemp:

I've tried several times throughout the years and many system configurations.. the speaker level outputs/vs/line level.. I've always used line level. In my experience, it has been a night & day difference. Others may differ. I know Mapleshade's Pierre Spray does.

In my experience, sub placement is critical not only to achieve best integrated bass but soundstage accuracy. This includes the proper placement of lower bass frequencies, the focus and depth as well. It all works together and in my experience, if one gets the "bass right" everything else comes into focus. I can move my subs as little as 1/4" and notice a difference in my dedicated music room.
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Slaw, good feedback, thanks. With my current setup I can't cut freqs using line level inputs. I own a preamp and tube monos that would let me try it out- at some point I'll switch the gear around.

Are you cutting low freqs to your Ushers, or running them full range and blending the sub at the bottom?

Regards,
gary


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Uncledemp

I happened to see your comment.

had B&W 801s3 in the room years ago. Don't know if a sub would have helped- never tried it.

fwiw I realize from your post that this is in the past for you now.  
the boxes on the B&W 801 s3 and s2 are tuned to about 40hz when used as is. When the 801 s2 and s3 are used as designed, with the BAF, they are full range. If curious there is a frequency/impedance graph from B&W England on my virtual system, showing the differences with, and without the BAF on the 801. Image 22.
  
Good luck in your quest.

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