Do you think you need a subwoofer?


Why almost any one needs subwoofers in their audio systems?

I talk with my audio friends about and each one give me different answers, from: I don't need it, to : I love that.

Some of you use subwoofers and many do in the speakers forum and everywhere.

The question is: why we need subwoofers ? or don't?

My experience tell me that this subwoofers subject is a critical point in the music/sound reproduction in home audio systems.

What do you think?
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Dear @stringreen : According scientific studies four subs are optimal in a home audio system.

Regards and enjoy the music,
R.
Dear friends: There are at least to things to share with you that I forgot:

- many people that own active subwoofers in their stereo audio systems speak on that thunderous bass that they don't have it before the subs in their systems and some of them speak to about that the room or diferent home items  in the room " shake/rattle " with their subs. Some like to talk about.

Well, I have not that shake/rattle or thunderous sound/reproduction in my system any more.
That kind of " events " are caused by high distortions in that frequency range but does not comes in the recordings and if some are experienced that they have an audio reproduction problem and certainly very low quality level on what are listening, it does not matters if they all are satisfied.

- the other issue I forgot is that inside my whole tests process exist the digital/CD tests that with out it any analog tests process is totally incomplete.

Testing bass range nothing can compare with the digital alternative that when with good recordings is way superior to analog and not only this but if we want to know how bass range must sound we must to listen to CDs and learn about.
I have several digital tracks that I always use trhough that whole tests evaluation's process and not only for the bass range but in this precise bass subject two of the recordings I use are: The thin red line and Gladiator ( I own " hundreds " of excellent CD that can show me what I'm looking for. ) that I know really good and what I can tell you is that the pristine, crystaline and precise definition and extremely high resolution is just: ASTONISHING.

The good " news " is that not only in the bass range but in the overall frequency ranges ! ! ! !


Thunderous bass does not comes in the recordings, it's generated on purpose by. In a home system comes for very high distortions in more than one system link and for the room interactions with.

Thunderous bass exist only in the nature through: sound on the Niagara falls or a thunder.

My take is that if we don't improve the quality level of each one bass range system/room reproduction it does not matters what we can do in the other frequency ranges our quality system levels will stay in average status.

I think all of us must have to take care more deeply on that system/room bass range reproduction !!!!

Regards and enjoy the music,
R.


Raul:
"According to scientific studies four subs are optimal in a home audio system."
     
     As a user of the 4 sub approach for the past year, I can attest to the validity of these scientific studies.  I've found the 4 sub approach has been an excellent solution for bass performance in my 23' x 16' living room.  My system is used about equally for 2-ch music and 5.1 surround HT.
     I use an Audio Kinesis Debra distributed bass array system that consists of 4 non-amplified subs (each sub is ported, has a 10" driver, weighs 67 lbs. and measures 23.75″ x 14.5″ x 10.375″) and a 950 watt class A/B amp with variable crossover and phase controls. Total price for the system is $2,990 and there is a choice of woods.  

       I was originally considering getting 2 high quality powered subs like JL, REL or Vandersteen but discovered the Debra 4 sub system while reading about the scientific studies that Raul references above. 
     These were studies by Acoustical Engineers Dr. Geddes and Dr. O'Toole that were concerned with bass wave propagation in residential and commercial spaces.  Here's a summary of their key conclusions:

Sound waves behave differently in typical rooms below and above about 200 hz.

Low frequency sound waves are so long ( a 20hz sound wave is 56.5 ft. long) that they'll bounce off room boundaries until they run out of energy.

These initial and subsequent long bass waves eventually overlap and meet which creates standing waves at various points in a room.

These standing waves result in bass peaks (perceived bass overemphasis) bass dips (perceived bass under-emphasis) and even bass cancellations (no perceived bass) at various points in a room.

They were able to mathematically predict and plot precisely where standing waves, and their corresponding peaks, nulls and cancellations, would exist in a room based on the location and number of bass sources (subs), bass frequency, room dimensions and boundary materials,

They found a relationship between the number of bass sources(subs) in a given room and the resulting number of standing waves in the room; Basically, the more subs in a given room the fewer bass standing waves are created and the better the bass.  

They note that there is, of course, a practical limit to the number of subs users will deem acceptable.

As a result and perhaps the most crucial conclusion they reached
 concerning the use of subs for residential and commercial spaces, was that the use of 4 subs in a given space resulted in the elimination of the vast majority of bass standing waves in that space. Each additional sub beyond 4 only resulted in marginal improvements.

     The DEBRA and SWARM distributed bass array systems are both based on the Geddes and O'Toole studies and conclusions and they both, unsurprisingly, utilize 4 subs.

     I honestly believe it would be almost impossible to overstate how well the DEBRA system has improved the bass performance in my room for both music and HT.  I use Magnepans for my L/C/R channels and, as many of you know, they have been notoriously difficult to integrate with subs.  The bass is solid and tuneful for music and powerful, impactful and even startling on HT.  

     With so many people using bass traps, microphones, room analysis and correction software, equalizers and digital signal processing to improve low bass performance in their rooms, I find it ironic and a touch humorous that the best solution available thus far is adding more subs.

     I don't want to leave the wrong impression, I am not wealthy and $2,990 for a sub system is expensive to me, too.  I rationalized the cost as being less than the cost of 2 high quality powered subs and that it's likely the last bass system I'll need to buy.

     The progressive and precise setup procedure is fairly elaborate and took me most of an afternoon to complete.  The subs are wired in parallel and it's recommended that 1 sub have its phase inverted.


Thanks,
  Tim  
 
    
Forgot to state some disclaimers:

     I have no association with, or financial interest in, anything to do with distributed bass array systems whatsoever.  I am just a very satisfied user and big fan.

Tim