Choosing Sub-woofers. Please advise ASAP.


Finally, I have committed to the new home theater system and need sub-woofers. My listening and theater space is about 16' x 14' but then total open space (kitchen in the back) is 16' x 32'. I would like to listen to non-dealer advise. Thank you.

Mcintosh MX160
Mcintosh MC1.2Kw x 2
Mcintosh MC205 x 2
Wilson Audio Alexia - Front Left and Right Speakers
Wilson Audio Mezzo - Center Speaker
Wilson Audio Sophia - Side and Rear Surround Sound Speakers
Origin Acoustic D88 - Atmos Speakers

I like the REL and the JL Audio but JL Audio is my primary choice. The question is 2 x 12" or 2 x 10" or single Dual 12"? The stereo dealer told me 10" would blend in better with music while HT dealer says 12" will have better effect because even my listening space is mall but overall room is large.

Your thought please? I need decision by tomorrow so I can close the final piece. Thank you.
sautan904
David Gage of Deep sea sound makes the best Sub that i have ever heard .
He happens to be right here in my town of Knoxville,TN.
I have had the  MARIANA 24SC 24" SUBWOOFER in my house   for a Demo.
Unreal clean output to about down to 6-7 Hz in my room.
Right now i think they are one of the best subs out there, period.
http://www.deepseasound.com/collections/all
http://www.deepseasound.com/pages/contact

I personally love how Richard Vandersteen goes about making his subs. Both the WQ as well as his newer high end one that goes with the 7mkII's or any other higher end speaker you may be using.  Matches so well with other top end full range speakers.  
dlcockrum,

   You were right, that thread did keep me busy for a while.

    Unfortunately, I still feel the spirit and will likely continue to be a DBA (Distributed Bass Array) system disciple and spread the 'good word' about how well they perform compared to the use of 3 or less conventional subs no matter their quality or cost.

    I may be on a mission from the audio gods.

Thank you for being my enabler,

           Tim
Tim, that may sound best for you and that's awesome. We all have our passions in audio, but to make some of the statements you make are not correct.  There is not scientific measurement to say any speaker or sub is the best way to do it.  There are many ways to do things and listening is subjective as we are all built differently. That can't be refuted.  

There are plenty of products in audio that test great, but sound like crap.  Some do sound good to many folks and measure adequately.  I rarely see products liked that measure poorly.  From the looks of it, you can mention ten different high end subs and they all go about things differently.  You like an array of subs, some else likes fewer or another design or Vandersteen's taking the signal off the main amp (my favorite).  Size certainly does matter if you want to move air (that part is physics and isn't subjective).  

Lot's goes into it and no matter how much data you may present and how passionate you are, it doesn't make you more correct than the folks who espouse REL or JL or Vandersteen or any of the numerous other subs.  The irony is that you are pushing your subs, but you have turned off more than a couple of folks and I'm sure that's not your intent.  Just invite folks to audition and make up their own minds.  
ctsooner,

  I agree with much of what you posted: listening is subjective, audition and make up your own mind and some other statements.

  However, I think you have a misunderstanding of the main points I'm trying to convey. I'll attempt to clarify.

      The main thing I'm espousing is the concept of the Distributed Bass Array System  (DBAS as an acronym).  Specifically, the use of a minimum of 4 subs that are precisely positioned within a room in a progressive locating procedure in order to significantly reduce the bass standing waves throughout the room.  The result being excellent bass response, with no bass peaks (bass overemphasis), bass nulls (bass under-emphasis) or bass cancellations (bass absence), throughout the entire room and not just a single 'sweet spot'.

     What I am definitely not espousing is a certain brand or model of sub.  I know there are many very good subs because I've heard many of them.  Rel, JL and Vandersteen come immediately to mind when I think of some of the best I've heard but there are other very good subs as well.

     An important aspect of deploying a DBAS is that it can be done with virtually any make and model of sub preferred; the only restrictions being that 4 are required and they need to be precisely positioned within the room.  Good DBA systems are truly sub agnostic.

    The concept of the DBAS is typically credited to two acoustical experts, Dr. Geddes and Dr. O'Toole, who have written white papers and conducted empirical experiments on the subject.  I can provide links to their work if you'd like.
     The gist of their findings is that bass peaks, nulls and cancellations continue to be reduced within a given room as more bass sources (subs) are added.  
     They realized there is an obvious practical limit to the acceptable number of subs in a commercial or home environment. Critically, they discovered that the use of 4 subs strategically positioned eliminated the vast majority of bass standing waves within a given room, with additional subs being only marginally effective.  This is the reason most DBA systems utilize 4 subs.

     You're correct, my intent is not to offend anyone or denigrate their preferred sub.  My intent is only to bring awareness to how well the DBA concept works and the fact that absolutely no microphones, room analysis/room correction software or room treatments are required.

     I hope I've clarified my position,
          Tim